zx10mike Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 that womens got some balls picking that up could of easily made a mess of her my thoughts to fair play to her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Tomov-just to keep you updated.I have been invited to quite a few driven days and did attend one about 10 years ago,I,m sorry my profile isn't more precise but most people dont bother digging so deep just to make a point and theres only so much room etc,,,,,..As for not wounding I dont see your point but would suggest that,unless you know me,you refrain from questioning my shooting ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_commoner Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 the point is there arent many foxes that end up wounded once the hounds get a hold, however the same cant be said for shooting .......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomov Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Thanks for the reply Bruno22rf. Just to put you at ease, I simply clicked on your profile so that I could see what sort of shooting you take part in. The rest, as they say, is history... I'm not really into internet stalking since all that unpleasantry I had with the restraining order. My point is that in over 30 years shooting I find it unlikely that you've never wounded something that has legged it. That means it's likely you've been responsible for causing something unecessary pain over what was probably a reasonably prolonged period. I personally think it's a bit rich (if you are in that position), to get too condemnatory about hunting with hounds. But that's just me. Do feel free to disagree. (And I think you know that was the point I was making). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 You are both totally correct in what you say and I am not condeming huunting with horses and or packs of dogs here. It's an inescapable fact though that one method involves deliberately chasing down a quarry until it exhausts before ripping it to pieces - and taking what is intended to be a one shot humane kill. For the record, I think that fox was either a tame or drugged up plant. Yeah maybe it was on the beer and had a hangover . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 I must say I was shocked by the reaction of the dogs I have always thought it would be much like a JR caching rats a couple of bites and a shack and its all other those dogs did not seem to be that interested. Hunting is a sport for well off people from what I have heard the best way of killing foxes is with two dogs one to flush it out and one to kill it other than that shoot them I think most foxes that get killed by hunts are killed by being run over after being chased on to roads. Please don't start that one. it's like saying that all shooters are toffs. The post that somone made about a scared animal etc made me think of glasshouses and stones. A load of noisy beaters one way, guns the other... Pheasants are not scared at all???. I am with Welsh Lamb on this all the way. We do not know the full facts, it could be us next and the hunting ban was a class based law .... of the worst kind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 However unpalatable you find the process of hounds killing a fox, one thing you cannot deny is that there is no chance of the fox escaping injured. However rare it is for a shooter to injure one, there is still a chance of it happening. This cannot happen with hunting. If a fox escapes from the hunt, it escapes uninjured because it managed to run away. Urrmmm, I think it did just happen. I'm not a fan of hunting and not a fan of horses - they are expensive and they they stink, but there are many more important things for people on here to bicker about. Whether of not you have injured something whilst shooting is not the point, and using that as an argument for fox hunting is only ever going to play into the hands of those that want all forms of hunting stopped. We all live by our own moral code and, assuming it's within the law, you shouldn't have to justify your way of life to others just because they think differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reece Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Urrmmm, I think it did just happen. I'm not a fan of hunting and not a fan of horses - they are expensive and they they stink, but there are many more important things for people on here to bicker about. Whether of not you have injured something whilst shooting is not the point, and using that as an argument for fox hunting is only ever going to play into the hands of those that want all forms of hunting stopped. We all live by our own moral code and, assuming it's within the law, you shouldn't have to justify your way of life to others just because they think differently. The fox was later released unharmed. It isn't every day that a woman steps in and rescues one from a hunt. If a fox was rescued and was injured, the animal would be looked after by the antis before it was released. Either way, the fox did not get away injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 It was tongue in cheek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxfordfowler Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 A friend of mine watched this "video" being filmed. Infact the woman was making so much fuss whilst being film that my friend went to see if she could help. All she got was abuse. She did not realise that the woman was carrying a Fox at the time all she could hear was her screaming "help me help me" and so went to help. By the way my friend was not with the hunt - she lives just up the road from this site (stage). And the Fox is/was well known in the area as it has lived there for several years - but has not been seen since being rescued. The Fox was put in the back of a vehicle - this vehicle continued to drive about watching the Hunt and was parked up for some time. No attempt to take the Fox to a Vet for immediate/urgent treatment was observed. Please note - I'm a shooter. I don't support this type of hunting with dogs but neither would I ban it. It's just another country sport all of which are under threat. OXF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 I have to say, after seeing my two old lurchers happen upon a fox unexpectedly once or twice, that those hounds showed no real committment to killing it. They barely seemed to even know what it was. My two lurchers, now gone, would hit a fox hard and there would be no letting go and even if you could the damage would have been such that the animal would need destroying anyway. I certainly wouldn't try and rescue one with my bare hands so fair play to the lunatic anti for that :thumbs: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrybarry Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkY7w8u6uEw&feature=youtube_gdata_player Have not seen this posted anywhere but sorry if it is a repost. I don't really know much on the subject but i thought hunting with hounds is now banned? I take it the police just class it as low priority? Brave lady, lucky fox , bunch of ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 personally i admire the woman for doing what she believes in ,but , i dont really think that she was brave , i think what she did was damned stupid and she could have got herself hurt but still admire her for doing what she believed in. im not very well versed when it comes to hunting but i know enough to say that those hounds werent onto that fox , neither the fox or the hounds appeared to know what was supposed to happen next ?. i think that the guys that knock fox hunting should be glad that we still have fox hunters , as soon as the fox hunters are gone the lunatic antis will be focusing on us shooters !. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark@mbb Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 You could tell the 1st hound had not come across a lot off foxes if this would off been pre ban the 1st hound on the scene would off killed the fox in seconds and the 2nd hound would off gone frantic these hound were drag hound and were playing with that fox it could off died off cold quicker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeredup Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 You could tell the 1st hound had not come across a lot off foxes if this would off been pre ban the 1st hound on the scene would off killed the fox in seconds and the 2nd hound would off gone frantic these hound were drag hound and were playing with that fox it could off died off cold quicker yeah the video does not show how the hounds came to be be in contact with the fox? like its been said before these hounds didnt really know what they were doing with old charlie did they so they must be hounds that have only ever done drag hunting? how can anyone on here say hunting foxes with hounds is inhumane? how many of us on here have shot at a bird of some variety seem a plume of feathers fall out of the sky and still seen the bird sod off over the horizon to die a slow death? or shot a fox or deer with a rifle and not found it? did you kill it instantly? or did it limp off to die/starve in a bush? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 (edited) Tomov-fair play to you,a mature and considered response to my post that demands respect.We can both only benefit from debating that which is important to us,your attitude serves you well. Edited November 24, 2012 by bruno22rf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reece Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Again, look at all the anti comments on the video. One person is basically saying that anyone who isn't an animal rights supporter "deserves to die". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 (edited) some of the posts in this thread are really sad to read because of the obvious hypocrisy. today on pigeon watch i have read about giving some sort of anaesthesia to a gold fish and now we have a thread basically in support of anti fox hunting. sad. edit: i was wrong the goldfish was on the airgunbbs. Edited November 25, 2012 by artschool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 As for people saying coursing and hunting are cruel etc. Do they feel the same about hunting rats with terriers, rabbiting with lurchers and ferreting? Its all the same thing but because rats arnt cute and fluffy and posh people dont follow on horseback, nobody seems to care. I am totally indifferent to fox hunting,but once pointed out this 'point' on the LACS website,which caused a stir for a while,but where the 'hunting with hounds' set rather let themselves down was when some hunt member said fox hunting was vermin control in the same respect that hunting rats with terriers was vermin control.Fair enough in my opinion,but then in huntings defence,someone else said hunting with hounds weeded out the sick,elderly and infirm foxes,and therefore ensuring a fit and healthy fox population.Now if they are indeed vermin,why would they want a fit and healthy population? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 I am totally indifferent to fox hunting,but once pointed out this 'point' on the LACS website,which caused a stir for a while,but where the 'hunting with hounds' set rather let themselves down was when some hunt member said fox hunting was vermin control in the same respect that hunting rats with terriers was vermin control.Fair enough in my opinion,but then in huntings defence,someone else said hunting with hounds weeded out the sick,elderly and infirm foxes,and therefore ensuring a fit and healthy fox population.Now if they are indeed vermin,why would they want a fit and healthy population? I seem to remember the argument was that fit and healthy young foxes were more likely to hunt in the field, whereas old and infirm foxes were likely to attack hen houses and rubbish sacks. No idea if that's actually true or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 I seem to remember the argument was that fit and healthy young foxes were more likely to hunt in the field, whereas old and infirm foxes were likely to attack hen houses and rubbish sacks. No idea if that's actually true or not. You could be right;I don't know either,but in my experience foxes are totally opportunistic hunters and scavengers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Dont really know what to make of this vid. There are lot's of things that seem strange like the fact that the hounds are not speaking when they are obviously in such close proximity to charlie.The hounds that do come across him do not seem to know what to do.The fox that acts like a lapdog when it is picked up. The hounds that are in contact with the fox seem like young hounds,which would explain why they are outside the cover and dont really know how to react when charlie falls in their lap.The only thing with that is in November the majority of the pack will be made up with experienced hounds and not young hounds being introduced to hunting(normally sept and october when this happens)I have seen hounds react like they did before but that is earlier in the season when out cubbing with young hounds. As for the loon who picks the fox up,i have seen the likes of her before.They preach about cruelty to animals and then think nothing of kicking a hound or as on one occasion i seen even spray a hound in the face with ammonia ! Sad to see lots of comments on here from fellow shooters that i have heard before from the most vehement anti's who are against fox hunting not because it is cruel but because the people who do it are percieved to have more money than them. What you see in the vid is a freak occurance it is not the norm,had an experienced hound been there it would have been all over pretty quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Sad to see lots of comments on here from fellow shooters that i have heard before from the most vehement anti's who are against fox hunting not because it is cruel but because the people who do it are percieved to have more money than them. i think you have hit the nail on the head Bart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontbeck Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Dont really know what to make of this vid. There are lot's of things that seem strange like the fact that the hounds are not speaking when they are obviously in such close proximity to charlie.The hounds that do come across him do not seem to know what to do.The fox that acts like a lapdog when it is picked up. The hounds that are in contact with the fox seem like young hounds,which would explain why they are outside the cover and dont really know how to react when charlie falls in their lap.The only thing with that is in November the majority of the pack will be made up with experienced hounds and not young hounds being introduced to hunting(normally sept and october when this happens)I have seen hounds react like they did before but that is earlier in the season when out cubbing with young hounds. As for the loon who picks the fox up,i have seen the likes of her before.They preach about cruelty to animals and then think nothing of kicking a hound or as on one occasion i seen even spray a hound in the face with ammonia ! Sad to see lots of comments on here from fellow shooters that i have heard before from the most vehement anti's who are against fox hunting not because it is cruel but because the people who do it are percieved to have more money than them. What you see in the vid is a freak occurance it is not the norm,had an experienced hound been there it would have been all over pretty quickly. :good: :good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 because the people who do it are percieved to have more money than them. Exactly. And where better to put that money than in the hands of youngsters looking for work in rural areas ? To me this is a lesser-of-two-evils topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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