andy198712 Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 I've got an old mossy 500 and love it, its the ak47 of the shotgun world, it never misses a beat no matter what you throw at it or how you treat it... I use it for everything. Since getting it and letting a few mates have a go on the clays etc... guess what?... they are now getting pumps too I find pumps more involving, more fun to use and after a while the pumping action becomes totally natural and very fast. the 870 wingmaster is arguably the AK of pumps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy198712 Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Agree with you! Here's my 1977 Wingmaster raise you mine mines 78' and smoother then my local gunsmiths and hes a 870 nut.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Have had many semis, cheap and expensive, all worked well Had a manufrance pump, worked well Just bought a Winchester model 1300 pump, works well They all do the job. Nothing is 100% reliable but some worse than others. I have put all different length and weight cartridges through the Winchester pump, it cycles all. Pumping it is now second nature to me, i aren't the quickest but I do well enough (treble on teal yest) I don't have to think about, I just do it without a thought. Get whatever fits you and what you like the look and feel of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 (edited) I liked my Wingmaster in the 1970s! However, my Winchesters #50/59s and Rem 1100 are my today's tools. Edited February 1, 2013 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throdgrain Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 raise you mine mines 78' and smoother then my local gunsmiths and hes a 870 nut.... Nice one mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 the 870 wingmaster is arguably the AK of pumps the checkerings too posh to be AK styleee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Why would you want to have to pump the gun over the option if an instant second shot? I like to think its the thread title meaning most can't be bothered with arguing with the walt contingent. The simple answer to this is people buy pumps for fun, if you want a gun to shoot clays properly and improve your shooting on clays and vermin then a semi is the one to go for. You will shoot better without having to pump it and be able to get on the second bird faster. That and most people on a clay shoot avoiding you like the plague are the incentives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksshooter Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Both semi and pump action are banned at my local clay shoot, do you think this will soon become the normal at all clay shoots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Both semi and pump action are banned at my local clay shoot, do you think this will soon become the normal at all clay shoots? I doubt that small minded clay shoot owners will become the norm so don't worry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksshooter Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 I hope so i was thinking about buying a semi one day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Personally,i cannot get on with a pump.Im one of these people who cannot pat their head while rubbing their stomach so i have to lower the gun before racking the action.So im really forced to use an auto. I also have a Winchester lever action rifle in 357mag and i still struggle to work the action while the gun is shouldered.Maybe im just a spaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer Fudd 1 Posted February 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Can i ask what type of gun you are used to? My reasoning is that as I am used to modern o/us and semi autos, I would inevitablly forget to "pump". If it is an older double trigger you are used to or it is a first gun it will probably be less of an issue. Both types of gun will have pros and cons. Personal preference and ability to subconciously pump between shots would be the deciders for me. Price shouldnt be an issue. For your budget you could pick up a used 2 3/4" chambered Beretta 301/2/3. Brilliant guns. Look for mike ***********s opinons on them online. i shoot a browning b525 for game and occasionally clays but find its just too nice to ruin in the fields. the reason i want the pump/semi is to slap around in all conditions with the pigeons and what have you. as an update to the original topic, i have since shot the hatsan escort and i liked it very much, it fitted well but as im not used to shooting them i found the recoil to feel strange, almost as if you feel a forward recoil. i have also been told that the winchester sxp has very strange stock dimensions being quite short. but to fully test this i would need to try one at the shooting show next week as all of my local stores do not stock any pumps at all (maybe there is a reason for this but im not too sure what) regards fudd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 I have several of each.Life is too short;get at least one of each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Maybe im just a spaz. eheheh... atleast you're honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy198712 Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 the checkerings too posh to be AK styleee that is true! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 (edited) i shoot a browning b525 for game and occasionally clays but find its just too nice to ruin in the fields. the reason i want the pump/semi is to slap around in all conditions with the pigeons and what have you. as an update to the original topic, i have since shot the hatsan escort and i liked it very much, it fitted well but as im not used to shooting them i found the recoil to feel strange, almost as if you feel a forward recoil. i have also been told that the winchester sxp has very strange stock dimensions being quite short. but to fully test this i would need to try one at the shooting show next week as all of my local stores do not stock any pumps at all (maybe there is a reason for this but im not too sure what) regards fudd from speaking with my RFD's pumps have never been in "fashion" over here, which is a shame as fashion is a simple social boundry which many are uncomfortable to cross..... tis their loss Edited February 2, 2013 by thepasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy198712 Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 they'll stock what they know they can shift easily, makes finacial sense right, you can walk in and order pretty much any legal gun from a RFD and they'll get it for you... my local has a few pumps in. partly as one of the guys in there loves them (thepasty, have you seen Romels DiY moderated 500?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throdgrain Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 I like to think its the thread title meaning most can't be bothered with arguing with the walt contingent. The simple answer to this is people buy pumps for fun, if you want a gun to shoot clays properly and improve your shooting on clays and vermin then a semi is the one to go for. You will shoot better without having to pump it and be able to get on the second bird faster. That and most people on a clay shoot avoiding you like the plague are the incentives. There's always one post like this on any pump action thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 (edited) i shoot a browning b525 for game and occasionally clays but find its just too nice to ruin in the fields. the reason i want the pump/semi is to slap around in all conditions with the pigeons and what have you. as an update to the original topic, i have since shot the hatsan escort and i liked it very much, it fitted well but as im not used to shooting them i found the recoil to feel strange, almost as if you feel a forward recoil. i have also been told that the winchester sxp has very strange stock dimensions being quite short. but to fully test this i would need to try one at the shooting show next week as all of my local stores do not stock any pumps at all (maybe there is a reason for this but im not too sure what) regards fudd I shoot a 525 too. Single trigger pull twice bang bang. Nothing else to think of but the bird. The closest to that would be a semi auto - if it was me Id got for the semi auto. A more seamless transition back and forward - Id only end up trying to pump the 525! The strange recoil sensation you describe is not unique to the hatsan - they all have it. I have a Beretta semi auto for wildfowling and I know what you mean. Initially I was also very aware of the ejected cartridge flying out. But they are different beasts to o/us. You get used to it quickly. Semi autos also seem to have shorter standard stock dimensions but with either s/a or p/a guns they are easy to self customise to the correct length cast etc. As well as the beretta cast and drop adjusting shims, I have made o couple of fine tuning adjustments with small pieces of cut up tesco card. Try both but I know what Id do. Edited February 2, 2013 by Big Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 I shoot a 525 too. Single trigger pull twice bang bang. Nothing else to think of but the bird. The closest to that would be a semi auto - if it was me Id got for the semi auto. A more seamless transition back and forward - Id only end up trying to pump the 525! The strange recoil sensation you describe is not unique to the hatsan - they all have it. I have a Beretta semi auto for wildfowling and I know what you mean. Initially I was also very aware of the ejected cartridge flying out. But they are different beasts to o/us. You get used to it quickly. Semi autos also seem to have shorter standard stock dimensions but with either s/a or p/a guns they are easy to self customise to the correct length cast etc. As well as the beretta cast and drop adjusting shims, I have made o couple of fine tuning adjustments with small pieces of cut up tesco card. Try both but I know what Id do. They are different beasts to o/us. But you get use to it ....... As you would with a pump It isn't hard to use a pump action. Nomre difficult than a semi or s/s or o/u, its simple when you get used to it, and it really doesn't take long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian28 Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Are pumps slow ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 There's always one post like this on any pump action thread It's best just to ignore the fun police, they usually go away once they realise their barrels need rebluing or walnut stock needs polishing for the 3rd time that week :yawn: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatcatsplat Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 I've got over unders, side by sides, semis and a hammer gun and shoot OK with all of them. I shoot OK with my pump as well, but it makes me smile a lot more..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hcarlos Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 i shoot a browning b525 for game and occasionally clays but find its just too nice to ruin in the fields. the reason i want the pump/semi is to slap around in all conditions with the pigeons and what have you. as an update to the original topic, i have since shot the hatsan escort and i liked it very much, it fitted well but as im not used to shooting them i found the recoil to feel strange, almost as if you feel a forward recoil. i have also been told that the winchester sxp has very strange stock dimensions being quite short. but to fully test this i would need to try one at the shooting show next week as all of my local stores do not stock any pumps at all (maybe there is a reason for this but im not too sure what) regards fudd you say local stores dont have any rugby gun shop has one (secondhand) they will let you try at there local groun barby sporting. if not give me a pm your welcome to try mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAoS Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Both semi and pump action are banned at my local clay shoot, do you think this will soon become the normal at all clay shoots? In my area (Southampton), I've not come across a single shoot that discriminates based upon action *type*. One shoot bans S.1 guns and another bans black-powder and that's about it. I'm primarily a PSG shooter and, as a result, I'm not impressed by the gun-handling "skills" of many clay shooters. In my opinion, "it ain't the arrow, it's the Indian" applies not only to shooting skill but to gun safety, as well. Regards, Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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