WelshLamb Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 As soon as I've done my collage course for hgv mechanics starting in sep and a year or two of experience I'm off from this country A mate of mine did his apprenticeship in south wales as a DAF fitter. He's now living in Oz working on Kenworths Go for it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 (edited) My friends sister and her husband went to New Zealand quite a few years ago. Lived there very happily until he got sick, he was deported back to this country terminally ill with cancer when the medical insurance ran out, she had to stay over there and sell up. They gave him seven days to get out. I'm not saying what the NZ Government did was wrong, I wish we were as tough with people over here. There was the story a couple of years ago of a British copper who emigrated with his family to Canada, got a job as a policeman over there and things were going fine till one of the kids was diagnosed with a fairly minor learning difficulty at school. The family's visa was revoked just like that. I go to the US regularly but wouldn't want to live there, I would be very interested to know on what sort of visa the people on here that live in the US are over there on because there are a lot of restrictions. You get the impression that a lot of people just think that they can go and live there simply because they want to. These countries are tough. Edited March 28, 2013 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 I moved to France last year and it is brilliant. No shooting and I do miss the beating, decoying and flighting, but loads of fishing. I wouldn't willingly come back to the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted March 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 I moved to France last year and it is brilliant. No shooting and I do miss the beating, decoying and flighting, but loads of fishing. I wouldn't willingly come back to the UK. Its good to hear that someone has made the move and enjoys it. France is enormous, must be plenty of space! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Emmigrating as a married couple to the new world is always risky. People need to understand the dictinction between residency and citizenship. Residencey in most countries (except the UK) merely entitles you to stay without a specific visa until the authorities say otherwise. Aquiring full citizenship can be extremely difficult though it is usually granted to children born in their new country. Situations arise all the time where children can stay but parents who divorce, lose their employment or become ill have to leave. The difference between residency and citizenship is a bit like the difference between living in a rented house and living in your own property with the mortgage paid off, and the process of getting full citizenship can involve a similar timescale. People move wife and kids to Canada, NZ, Aus, the US etc and think thats it. It isn't. The rug can be pulled at any time. The only way to get round this in most cases is either to be extremely rich and pay lots of tax or to emmigrate as a single person and marry a local, but for obvious reasons your marriage will be under intense scrutiny for many years, and if you divorce you can be back to square one. If you commit a crime or if you become ill without having lived in the country and paid into its social security system for long enough even your marriage may not save you. Not enough people fully understand their legal status when they emmigrate. And in Aus, and the US, don't know about Canada and NZ, that can vary state to state. All of these countries are getting tougher all the time as the world population accelerates further out of control. If you really want to emmigrate with confidence, do it when you're 18 and do it forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 My Sister moved to Sardinia about 8 years ago and has just had to come back due to the economy there, she lectured in a Uni and it got to the point where they just weren't paying up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castletyne Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 I would love to go but I just couldn't. I am born, bred and was once proud and hope to be again one day. Cut me in half and you will find at George's cross I am sure. I will be the last man standing here if I have to be, and if I am the it will be MY United Kingdom ! its gone to far now i look back and see how it has changed over the last 20 year not the England i want to live in anymore and as the years go on its only getting worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Lots of people complaine about this country but looking at the other side if you get ill you will be helped if you loose your job you will be looked after and if you do something bad and get put in prison you will be treated humanly not shomething you can say about some other countrys having said that I would still choose to live in France. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Lots of people complaine about this country but looking at the other side if you get ill you will be helped if you loose your job you will be looked after and if you do something bad and get put in prison you will be treated humanly not shomething you can say about some other countrys having said that I would still choose to live in France. The sad fact is that in the UK you may be treated more humanely in prison than in hospital or a nursing home for the elderly. What are your chances of going to prison against going into hospital or a care home? My neighbour developed DVT while on a short trip to the UK. While in hospital they discovered cancer cells in his blood. The consultant came to see him and said that as he could see that my neighbour lived in France he suggested that he get back over there ASAP as the survival rates fro cancer are far higher than in the UK. It is still touch and go, but when I see how he has been treated over here compared to friends and relatives in the UK who suffered various cancers I know where I'd vote to be treated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandspider Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 I like the idea of emigrating - France, Canada, Portugal... Sun (and good snow in Candada too), open spaces, fewer chavs. But France has mind numbing bureaucracy, variably friendly locals, too many tourists and traffic jams in Summer maybe? Plus it's not that cheap any more. I think it's mainly the grass is greener syndrome. Plus, most of the time, England is pretty nice. Apart from the people, the weather, the politics... :s Having only been to France on holiday (and never been to Canada at all) I fear that living there would not be the same as holidaying there. If I win the lottery, I'd love to have a place in France or somewhere but keep some roots in England for friends, family, a good pub beer garden etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castletyne Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 I like the idea of emigrating - France, Canada, Portugal... Sun (and good snow in Candada too), open spaces, fewer chavs. But France has mind numbing bureaucracy, variably friendly locals, too many tourists and traffic jams in Summer maybe? Plus it's not that cheap any more. I think it's mainly the grass is greener syndrome. Plus, most of the time, England is pretty nice. Apart from the people, the weather, the politics... :s Having only been to France on holiday (and never been to Canada at all) I fear that living there would not be the same as holidaying there. If I win the lottery, I'd love to have a place in France or somewhere but keep some roots in England for friends, family, a good pub beer garden etc. If only there was a way of getting rid of the French it would be a lovely place to live Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzthompson Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 I would move to America or Canada if I could. Canada, being a commonwealth country , is a lot easier (I believe) to move too. Both have better gun laws in my opinion. but I'm in no rush, maybe when I'm 25-30 ish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandspider Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 If only there was a way of getting rid of the French it would be a lovely place to live True dat. Canada is tempting. Wouldn't really want to live in America - the locals in Arizona were an odd bunch, though to be fair I'm sure they vary place to place too. I lik the idea of emigrating, but when you actually get right down to it, it might be more pleasant as an idea / a dream than actually doing it for real... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyD Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 If only there was a way of getting rid of the French it would be a lovely place to live This seems to be a universal problem with immigrants, they arrive in a new place and immediately start trying to make it more like the place they left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Or more to the point, who is in the process of leaving.? I keep dreaming about moving to southern california where it never rains. I know the u.s.a. has problems but i am always under the impression that they fight for their people, they believe in themselves and are hard on **** takers. I have very little chance of ending up where i want to be, but if ever the funds become available, i think i would go without looking back see "New Orleans " for looking after their people , also the figures are something like 3 million homeless and 15 million empty propertys I get the impression that america is broke *** bankrupt and most of it is like a third world country , i read also that the landmass of the uk is only 3% populated ? lots of mountains and boggy areas i know but even if we are 30% populated that hardly fits the description of overcowded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Who has had a crappy day when the sun is out and shining and the skies are blue. Me and the millions of other hay fever sufferers! I'd leave in a heartbeat if i could afford to I have no desire to be on such a foreign energy/fuel dependent island when i'm a pensioner when the REAL 'fun' starts in 30 or so years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 I should have done it years ago New Zealand, Canada, France. I'm rather too set in my ways these days and with too many 'hostages to fortune'. I tend to agree that our country is no longer the 'home' I grew up in sadly - still, nothing stays the same for ever but as long as it stays British or is that English now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Lots of people complaine about this country but looking at the other side if you get ill you will be helped if you loose your job you will be looked after and if you do something bad and get put in prison you will be treated humanly not shomething you can say about some other countrys having said that I would still choose to live in France. That's the problem. Britons expect and our politicians promise too much. We have developed a rights-based entitlement culture that has left us fiscally bankrupt and brought half the world to our door hammering to get in. That none of the political and media elite who control this country display the slightest understanding of the catastrophe they have wrought and consequently have no solutions to get us out of it, explains why so many Brirtons are rushing to get out. There are so many things infinitely more worthwhile in this short life than municipal public services and an "I want" consumer economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the enigma Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Too settled now to do anything about,but if I was 18 again, I'd seriously consider Oz or New Zealand. The bureaucracy and red tape involved in doing anything this country is unreal. But as my Dad says, "Far way fields are green, but the grass is just as hard to mow." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyotemaster Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Come to America. You can pick from the wide selection of AR-15's at the local Wal-Mart. Doc, you haven't been to WalMart lately have you? Can't find ammo much less an AR. An interesting series of views. I can tell you there are +s and -s here as well. The politicians still lie, the bankers and lawyers still extort and the President has the honesty of Pinocchio. I guess the big thing here is choose your state carefully as they all differ in basic views and freedoms. The west, outside of Ca. is pretty open to gun ownership---and assuming the nature of this forum that would be of interest. Illinois is pretty restrictive because of Chicago, some of the east coast is restrictive, New Jersey, New York, Massachusets. I guess you must always look at the whole picture. Obama care is in our future. Health insurance is prohibitively high and medical/hospital charges are astronomical. Consider all before hopping a flight, might want to wait and see what the anti gunners do before coming this direction. Still better than investing in Cyprus I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Or more to the point, who is in the process of leaving.? I keep dreaming about moving to southern california where it never rains. I know the u.s.a. has problems but i am always under the impression that they fight for their people, they believe in themselves and are hard on **** takers. I have very little chance of ending up where i want to be, but if ever the funds become available, i think i would go without looking back. Would that be with or without the wife? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodlittlebitch Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Dont fancy leaving the UK, Wouldnt mind leaving England and heading for rural Scotland though. My Mum and Dad went in 2010 to OZ and never looked back. Love it over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted March 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Or more to the point, who is in the process of leaving.? I keep dreaming about moving to southern california where it never rains. I know the u.s.a. has problems but i am always under the impression that they fight for their people, they believe in themselves and are hard on **** takers. I have very little chance of ending up where i want to be, but if ever the funds become available, i think i would go without looking back >see "New Orleans " for looking after their people , also the figures are something like 3 million homeless and 15 million empty propertys I get the impression that america is broke *** bankrupt and most of it is like a third world country , i read also that the landmass of the uk is only 3% populated ? lots of mountains and boggy areas i know but even if we are 30% populated that hardly fits the description of overcowded the 'new orleans' post wasnt mine, i dont know why its been quoted as my post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Sis in law moved to NZ ten years ago, she is a nurse so was welcomed but has had to fly back twice knowing she was coming back to a parents funeral. We have thought about it but have a huge circle of friends here and as we are mid-late 40s do not fancy starting again elsewhere. The uk has its faults but no worse than any others. Perhaps we ( as part of the silent majority) should do what our french neighbours do and shout, demonstrate and complain. Our lords and masters in any party would soon stand up and listen. Look what happened with the fuel demos. Another 2-3 days and things could have been very different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 I reckon the only reason for me to go would be the climate. I'd like to do as Ian Fleming did and have the coldest few months of the UK somewhere nice and warm. I don't know, maybe write a book.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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