Pastiebap Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 (edited) but if you put your keys in a cheap and nasty digital safe, then you are as good as handing the keys over! Agree 100%. How many people spend hundreds of pounds on a gun cabinet (some people have more than one cabinet) and then put the keys in a £30 B&Q special digital safe? Edited July 9, 2013 by Pastiebap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil3728 Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 TBH if someone is breaking into your house to steal your guns, keys or not the safe will not stop them. I recon with no safe cracking knowledge i could be into me same 30 secs tops adn all the tools are in the gargae anyway. Keeps the keys as safe as possible and fit a decent house alarm or cctv system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal Mother Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Security by obscurity is never a good option. All my keys are locked in secure cabinets. One is next to the shotgun cabinet, the other is at work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 What about the "key safes" like the care companies use for vunerable people's house keys on the outside of the house? Where is the best place for keys and spares? Those side-of-house key safes look like a decent tap with a hammer will open them no worries. My cousin had one on her holiday home and it seemed a bit ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeredup Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 my FEO advised againts a key safe as if some one found the cabinet they may start looking for the keysafe my keys are in a good hiding place when i am home and when i go offshore they come with me and at the end of the day if someone wanted the contents of the cabinet they would either force me to open it or force their way into it in some way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
searley Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Those side-of-house key safes look like a decent tap with a hammer will open them no worries. My cousin had one on her holiday home and it seemed a bit ridiculous. Correct the sub £50 ones are quite week, i open them a lot when old people forget the codes.. Supra now do a much better one with a rrp of £80 but i still would not put my trust in one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud dad Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Putting the keys in a digital safe is fine so long as you get a very expensive safe. The normal cheapo jobs can be opened with a screwdriver or biro - see Mungler's previous thread. Or even a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Or even a I've seen more than one video of this type of thing...makes you think! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danoi99 Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 I put my spare keys inside of a fresh Herring........then I put it in the bottom of my freezer !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parapilot Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Agree with what's been said. Key safes are rubbish, can be opened in seconds with a feeler guage, b and q digi safes rubbish. A safe is the first thing a thief will target. My keys, on my person. If I'm out so are my keys and they can go ahead and start smashing the Cabernet but with the alarm and dialer already gone off they got 3 minuets lol. As a master locksmith / safe engineer I know how vunrable most safes are. Even the good locks you can get decoders for a few hundred quid that will open them with little skill in a few mins. Then there's a big crow bar... Get alarm, keep keys out of sight (includes in a safe) and maybe have a dummy safe visable with some loose change in somewhere to give them Something to do for a few mins before they leg it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 This is an interesting concept; http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Finger-Print-Safe-Biometric-Fingerprint-Combination-Security-25cm-x-35cm-x-25-/350694532690?_trksid=p3284.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSI%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BUA%252BFICS%26otn%3D21%26pmod%3D130573759717%26ps%3D54 But what happens to the 2 overide keys supplied with it? Get another safe to hide these in? I keep one set on my main keyring which is on my person and the spares are hidden in the house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bravo2 Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 If somebody wants to get into your cabinet that badly an angle grinder to the locks would probably be far quicker than searching for your keys (or a touch of oxy-acetylene), and if you have a key safe then you are just giving Mr Thief a choice of which one to get into. I reckon a good (and I mean good) hiding place is as good a way of doing it as any. Keeping them on your person is all very well but not practical for a lot of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastiebap Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 But what happens to the 2 overide keys supplied with it? Get another safe to hide these in? I keep one set on my main keyring which is on my person and the spares are hidden in the house. Not so much the overrides, but the idea of biometrics is interesting. In theory the only way the thief would be able to open your safe would be to use your hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 (edited) This is an interesting concept; http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Finger-Print-Safe-Biometric-Fingerprint-Combination-Security-25cm-x-35cm-x-25-/350694532690?_trksid=p3284.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSI%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BUA%252BFICS%26otn%3D21%26pmod%3D130573759717%26ps%3D54 I recon as easy to open as any cheap box.................. how many points of recognition? http://www.keysafe.co.uk/police_approved_supra_c500_keysafe_002049 Got be a better option Or http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Chatwood-Milner-Ratner-Executive-Safe-Sargent-Greenleaf-Combination-Heavy-Duty/111111316825?rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D286%26meid%3D8958744550436414359%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D1048%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D350694532690%26 Edited July 9, 2013 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Not so much the overrides, but the idea of biometrics is interesting. In theory the only way the thief would be able to open your safe would be to use your hand. Which would be even easier than threatening you or cutting their way in, they'd just need to drag you over to the safe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastiebap Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 (edited) Which would be even easier than threatening you or cutting their way in, they'd just need to drag you over to the safe! Some of us are harder to drag than others :lol: :lol: :lol: But seriously, if someone determined wanted your guns you would just give them to them as they would knock your door and shove a pistol in your face before asking. Edited July 10, 2013 by Pastiebap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyTed Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 I thought the standard place for keeping keys was in your sock drawer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal Mother Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 (edited) Agree with what's been said. Key safes are rubbish, can be opened in seconds with a feeler guage, b and q digi safes rubbish. A safe is the first thing a thief will target. My keys, on my person. If I'm out so are my keys and they can go ahead and start smashing the Cabernet but with the alarm and dialer already gone off they got 3 minuets lol. As a master locksmith / safe engineer I know how vunrable most safes are. Even the good locks you can get decoders for a few hundred quid that will open them with little skill in a few mins. That's a bit of a sweeping statement. As a master locksmith/safe engineer, I'd give you 60 minutes to get into my key safe. I doubt you could. Edited July 10, 2013 by Animal Mother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parapilot Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 That's a bit of a sweeping statement. As a master locksmith/safe engineer, I'd give you 60 minutes to get into my key safe. I doubt you could. Lol I meant the key safes that are designed for a wall outside a house , supra, or 4 wheel combos etc. If your 'key safe' is a proper safe providing iv got the pick / decoder for that lock, ill take your money for 60 Mins . Your going to tell me you got a manifold combo now aren't you plus you could be into almost any safe in 60 mins as a bad guy, 12 inch disk grinder and a good dust mask lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 I thought the standard place for keeping keys was in your sock drawer! Like you said, standard place. Im sure thats where an intruder would look too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30-06hunter Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 (edited) i got this safe http://www.justoffbase.co.uk/Gun-Safe-with-Ammo-Box-Electronic-Lock-8-Gun-Capacity-Sealey-SEGS8 its a sealey 8 gun digital lock i got the model with the key system as well for £256 inc vat its a great safe with an internal lockable ammo box. it also comes carpeted. police came around to see it when i put it in and signed it off for FAC. she actualy said i over did it a bit. i think she ment to the mounting bolts i used ( 8 inch expansion bolts into concrete x6. ) great value for money. Edited July 10, 2013 by JackD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsi Posted July 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 i got this safe http://www.justoffbase.co.uk/Gun-Safe-with-Ammo-Box-Electronic-Lock-8-Gun-Capacity-Sealey-SEGS8 its a sealey 8 gun digital lock i got the model with the key system as well for £256 inc vat its a great safe with an internal lockable ammo box. it also comes carpeted. police came around to see it when i put it in and signed it off for FAC. she actualy said i over did it a bit. i think she ment to the mounting bolts i used ( 8 inch expansion bolts into concrete x6. ) great value for money. Oooh good find! I didn't know of any brand besides buffalo river or sentry who were doing these and they were over £500ish as I recall. That digital sealey that meets BS7558 for £250 inc vat looks like a great option for me. Thanks very much for the link! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr15j Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 If I'm out so are my keys and they can go ahead and start smashing the Cabernet. That's just a waste of wine, surely they would drink it instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 Bravo! Good one Chr15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Eye Dunc Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 Some of us are harder to drag than others :lol: :lol: :lol: In South Africa they don't drag you. They have teeth. one quick bite and they only have to carry a finger. It's how they steal rings and jewelery too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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