misser Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 hi - have got a flight pond that is close to the boundary, last year to my dismay found the 2 blokes that shoot the neighbours fields coming over and shooting it..... had a word to no avail.....there is a double stranded barbed wire fence but they ducking (pardon the pun) under it to come across....I paid for the fence and wire to keep their wild horses out...am going to put more lower strands on to stop them coming under it...was going to put a few nails in the top of each post to stop them putting their hands or feet on and bunking over...then a mate said might have to be careful with doing the nail bit, especially if there was an injury...question is, is it legally ok to do so?...it would also stop the horses pushing on the posts which they have been doing......any ideas or comments would be appreciated...thanks...atb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malantone Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 (edited) I don't know about nails, but I would think a strand of barbed wire fastened across the top of the posts would help, also a double fence two or three feet apart makes life difficult for poachers. You could electrify the fence that should get the message across. Can you get the police interested? Edited May 22, 2014 by malantone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 No more nails! Trouble! Have a word with your neighbour and see if he'll have a word explaining that their permission on his land is at risk if they continue using it as access for poaching. Failing that a trail camera with the evidence to the police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 (edited) If they are trespassing onto your land with a firearm and also shooting without permission on your land then it's a criminal offence. Simple as. If it was my land and I'd warned them and they came back on to shoot I'd call the Police and let them deal with it. If they value their tickets and not getting a criminal conviction then they will abide by the law like the rest of us have to who are responsible shooters - i.e. seek permission! Edited May 22, 2014 by Dibs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medic1281 Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Just put a good dollop of grease on top of each post, it won't stop them but would seriously pee them off!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 It is not legally OK to put nails in posts to stab people, nor is it legally OK to trespass with a gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misser Posted May 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 thanks gents for all the input..was to act as a deterrent rather than to stab anyone..the double fence and especially the grease are definitely good options..thanks again..atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 (edited) Just phone plod.its armed tresspass ther for they will ,could lose sgc . Edited May 22, 2014 by Davyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 you'd rather try and deter them with obstacles than simply calling the police to sort out armed trespassing poachers? I dont see the logic. You could find out their identity by talking to the land owner.... you have spoken to the land owner to tell them whats been happening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Just phone plod.its armed tresspass ther for they will ,could lose sgc . Like the man says Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misser Posted May 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 they are relatives of the landowner next door....the problem is that it is about 80yd from the boundary...when collared they just apologise and walked back to the boundary....ifI phone the police im sure they will just wander back and deny it....how do I stand then...or as someone said use a trailcam?....thanks...atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 they are relatives of the landowner next door....the problem is that it is about 80yd from the boundary...when collared they just apologise and walked back to the boundary....ifI phone the police im sure they will just wander back and deny it....how do I stand then...or as someone said use a trailcam?....thanks...atb Hey many of us have made a mistake, you seem to infer this is a frequent occurrence though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonwolf444 Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Hey many of us have made a mistake, you seem to infer this is a frequent occurrence though. Loads of time ferreting i often wonder if I'm poaching. Mainly because the farmer explains where his boundrys are to us like this. " down the left hand side of 30 acre, through yon wood up 't' big rock, down road side, follow headland through glyns paddock, Oak wood on the left, coop on the right through them then up to the back of the farm." Bearing in mind its all open grass land and one small wood which we assume is the "wood".. Oak wood also appears to be a grass field.. "plantation" and "bens" are also some descriptive words used for the land occasionally. More than once we have had people wonder up to us while shooting " do you have permission here"... " yes we asked the farmer, do you".. "yes, ive been shooting here for 15 years".. "seems odd then that we haven't bumped into each other before." As for your problem, perhaps go around at the start of the season, and explain to them that is is illegal and if you catch them you will see them punished for it. Extend that with a sign and a trail cam then if they come back get them done. As for the horses, they will rub and scratch on anything; there really is not much you can do about it, barbed wire won't stop them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 I'd agree. Explain that it is armed tresppass, and you will be collecting evidence. Then set up trail cams, and inform the police if they cross over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 they are relatives of the landowner next door....the problem is that it is about 80yd from the boundary...when collared they just apologise and walked back to the boundary....ifI phone the police im sure they will just wander back and deny it....how do I stand then...or as someone said use a trailcam?....thanks...atb Film on phone or trailcam.dont approach them just stay out the way unseen and phone plod.Plod turns up they are over the boundry and armed tresspass.It would also assist prossecution if you have given them verbal warnings before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misser Posted May 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 again thanks for the replies...I have personally collared them 3 times now.. first time was polite and they knew they were at fault...had the cheek to reply back that they me that they would 'let me shoot theirs'....replied 'no thanks you shoot yours, ill shoot mine'...to no avail...second and third times wasn't quite so polite......spent a good bit of time and money to get it to this stage and was gutted that it repeatedly happened...even more so their attitude...as you say trail cams, try and film them shooting ....just thought maybe someone on here had had similar run ins.....thanks...atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 When you say they are shooting a flight pond are they shooting species out of season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misser Posted May 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 no....shooting ducks in season....put a decent amount of feed in, watched for a few nights...good amount of ducks in......watched a week or so later very few ducks...couldn't understand why...went and watched for a few more nights then found out why..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 again thanks for the replies...I have personally collared them 3 times now.. first time was polite and they knew they were at fault...had the cheek to reply back that they me that they would 'let me shoot theirs'....replied 'no thanks you shoot yours, ill shoot mine'...to no avail...second and third times wasn't quite so polite......spent a good bit of time and money to get it to this stage and was gutted that it repeatedly happened...even more so their attitude...as you say trail cams, try and film them shooting ....just thought maybe someone on here had had similar run ins.....thanks...atb I can't believe you let it get to a 3rd time. I'd have been on the phone to the police after the first time let alone the second or third. They are blatantly ignoring the law and deserve to have their guns and licences taken away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 they should not be on there,you pay for the ducks have a word with the farmer,if it still go on then the police, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Letters to adjacent landowner, and (if possible) the miscreants reminding them where the boundaries are. Tell them you understand that a mistake has been made and that should there be any further problems with people coming onto private property whilst armed you will inform the police. This way you have cleared the air and let them know that any further trespass forgetfulness will be dealt with accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingo15 Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Advise the police of the incidents so far. Put up some signs private property danger shooting in progress. Call your local firearms officer too advise him. Then get some evidence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remmy1100 Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 get a sign made up stating private keep out or similar put it on post where they come in, then theyve no excuse for not knowing there trespassing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnie Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 if they are related to the farmer think it will fall on deaf ears DO NOT do anything that will put you on the wrong side of the law, will not do your case any good. what is occurring is armed trespass, describe it to the police this way as poaching is open to all sorts nets etc. once you mention armed it is surprising how quick they respond. evidence would help your case no end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Yeah, when your caught third time its pushing it! don't be so soft with them flight ponds take time to establish and should never be overshot, if you are not the legal owner of the sporting rights speak to your owner first but this is far more than a mistake and has stretched the odd sneaky bird a mile too far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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