four-wheel-drive Posted September 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I tend to think that if all of these Scottish people do not want to be with us after over 300 years then perhaps it is best that they go for me the worst thing about this is the message that it would send out to the rest of the world the Spanish and lots of other countries have parts that want to brake away as has been said its classic divide and conquer in the way of things we are just a group of small Islands to break it down into small parts makes no sense to me the federal approach has to be the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Not under the terms of our intelligence sharing agreements with other nations. They would require nationality waivers post independence. Don't know much about intelligence sharing agreements - if this is the case perhaps because they are British Citizens living in another country - but their citizenship will be unchanged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aled Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Well the day has arrived: Wether its "yes" or "no" in Scotland the one thing i will say is that the we country we now know as United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, will never be the same again. There are going to be some changes as to how its run whatever the result. Cheers Aled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 They will be 'foreign nationals' to Scotland i.e. they are foreign citizen in the country they are living in. They will still be British Citizens though. For civil service jobs - those jobs would (or should) come back to the UK. As for military - it is not unheard of to have military bases in other countries, though somehow I doubt the Scots would want this. Scotland are welcome to keep DFID if they vote yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 TriBsa, on 18 Sept 2014 - 09:57 AM, said: Scotland are welcome to keep DFID if they vote yes. Yes, having the big-hearted, generous, gregarious Scots in charge will certainly lead to a change in the level of aid donated abroad. I can't decide whether it would go up or down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AULD YIN Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Well i am just away to vote johnnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgguinness Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Well a mate of mine who lives near Dunfermline said there's a lot of police presence outside the polling station in Masterton, and last night the 'No' sign had been set alight in the farmers field down the road. Doesnt look good does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 nothing wrong with a surge of nationalistic pride I was expecting the Bay City Rollers... As for the flag, I suppose it would have to change, and I would support that since the remainder of the UK would need to move forward too. I think we will keep the flag, if we don't, would all the flags that have the Union Jack featured be altered as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AULD YIN Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) nothing wrong with a surge of nationalistic pride I was expecting the Bay City Rollers... were daft but no that daft johnnie Edited September 18, 2014 by AULD YIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nial Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Well a mate of mine who lives near Dunfermline said there's a lot of police presence outside the polling station in Masterton, and last night the 'No' sign had been set alight in the farmers field down the road. Doesnt look good does it. With any luck this will get people's backs up and lead them to vote NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I want to know how a country can vote to leave the UK then retain Uk citizenship when it is no longer a part of the UK. This country would be no different to any other commonwealth country. Independent with its own passports not ours. Figgy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) No, you cannot just unilaterally revoke someones citizenship. They will all remain British Citizens. Surely they will have voted to revoke it themselves?I also love salmonds statement that he will keep the borders open under the CTA agreement , well sorry to pee on his parade he wont be part of the CTA and surprisingly whilst he is saying he will allow free passage over the border he seems to forget that's just who goes in, we will control it this side as it seems Scotland will have a different immigration policy, most likely a different tax rate and certainly a different levy on booze and fags, so control will be more than a possibility, another little gen from the yes brigade is they will abolish any plans to increase the retirement age to 67 seeing that jocks apparently die younger than the English, well perhaps if they knocked back a bit on the tenants and a wee chaser and of course the fags which knock believe it or not an average of 10 years off their life expectancy!!! they might make 67 there's thought? KW I want to know how a country can vote to leave the UK then retain Uk citizenship when it is no longer a part of the UK. This country would be no different to any other commonwealth country. Independent with its own passports not ours. Figgy they cant and any rhetoric to say otherwise is just that KW Edited September 18, 2014 by kdubya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I was expecting the Bay City Rollers... were daft but no that daft johnnie I dissagree KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AULD YIN Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I dissagree KW You would! johnnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 You would! johnnie :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I sincerely hope it's a 'yes' vote. Imagine the whinging that is going to go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on........ if it's a 'no'. At least if it's a 'yes' we can forget about it and move on......can't we? If the Scots resent their lives being interfered with by an English parliament as much as I resent my life being interfered with by one in Brussels, then I understand perfectly how they feel and would want to be out too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I want to know how a country can vote to leave the UK then retain Uk citizenship when it is no longer a part of the UK. This country would be no different to any other commonwealth country. Independent with its own passports not ours. Figgy Citizenship and domicile are two different things. They will be British Citizens, domiciled in another country - Scotland. It would be like saying, you want to move to the USA - you lose your British Citizenship. Some countries do this when you take up citizenship of another country. UK does not - they allow dual citizenship. It will be interesting to see how an independent Scotland handle the citizenship issue. Who will qualify for Scots citizenship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartynGT4 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I sincerely hope it's a 'yes' vote. Imagine the whinging that is going to go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on........ if it's a 'no'. At least if it's a 'yes' we can forget about it and move on......can't we? If the Scots resent their lives being interfered with by an English parliament as much as I resent my life being interfered with by one in Brussels, then I understand perfectly how they feel and would want to be out too. Not really, the winging will just come from no camp side and understandably so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Citizenship and domicile are two different things. They will be British Citizens, domiciled in another country - Scotland. It would be like saying, you want to move to the USA - you lose your British Citizenship. Some countries do this when you take up citizenship of another country. UK does not - they allow dual citizenship. It will be interesting to see how an independent Scotland handle the citizenship issue. Who will qualify for Scots citizenship? So if this is the case Scotland don't need it's own Embassies as UK citizens would seen to. All wrong to me, if you vote as a country to leave citizenship should be revoked. Same as emigrating you should take the citizenship of your the country you emigrated to and only retain a lesser status of the UK if at all. Our Government needs to change this. Figgy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 So if this is the case Scotland don't need it's own Embassies as UK citizens would seen to. All wrong to me, if you vote as a country to leave citizenship should be revoked. Same as emigrating you should take the citizenship of your the country you emigrated to and only retain a lesser status of the UK if at all. Our Government needs to change this. What about the 50% that voted no? Some of which may well have been born in England and identify themselves as English. In some respects, when you emigrate and become a non-UK tax payer, you do have lesser status. No NHS, no or any other state funded services. British expats abroad go to the local embassy or consulate to renew their passports - I suspect that 5m Scots citizens will have to do the same iin the event of independence. It should be interesting when there is a 12 month backlog for passport renewals. I know expats (not British) who go back to their home countries to get their passports renewed - as it is so time consuming and impossible at their local embassies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graiglearn Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 A question for Crowdie and the other yes voters. Presumably as members of this fine forum you are shooters and countrymen? How do you feel about about an urban-centric socialist government who are hostile to country sports being given free reign to control all aspects of them? Even without independence we've seen the ridiculous ban on docking working dogs, airgun licensing, controls on snaring etc. Any guesses on the future direction of controls on your sport? It is going to be decided by left wing city dwellers who don't understand or care about country people and their lifestyles and livelihoods. No wonder many in the highlands and islands feel as remote from Holyrood as they do to Westminster. It might be a good idea to sell your guns now whilst you still can. there you go I replied last night and still no reaction from any fieldsports viewers ,instead rants and nothing to do with our sport which will no doubt be squeezed even more ,so all you people who come to enjoy the sport Scotland has to offer goodnight and goodbye with or without Salmond ,the inept body we already have is anti fieldsports and no one seems to care,you would think when this is a sporting site and your sport is threatened the way it is there would be some reaction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) Been reading online about citizenship and embassy's services . It is to be decided by our government as to whether Scotlnds Subjects would remain Citizens of the UK and if they would get any Embassy representation. Not likely me thinks. They might have to plead with the Swiss embassies if get in trouble abroad. If they want independence then be just that independent. It would be like us leaving the EU but wanting to cherry pick what to keep. Scotland would need its own stamp, be a huge one to get as almonds head on. Figgy Edited September 18, 2014 by figgy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 graiglearn - at the moment the potential breakup of the UK is more important that fieldsports. If the vote is "no" - no change. If the "yes" vote carries the day, Scots will have what they wanted. I don't think fieldsports, economy, loyalty to the UK come into their thinking. They just mention "our oil". I'm sure that nice Mr Salmond will bring in lower taxes, improved NHS, a mighty Navy, an increased Army, an Air Force to be proud of, a swanky castle for himself and more fieldsports. Seriously, I am past caring. They do what they will do and I trust either side will respect the decision. We will see what they are genuinely made of. PS. - I sincerely hope that those who are intimidating voters will crawl back under their stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Been reading online about citizenship and embassy's services . It is to be decided by our government as to whether Scotlnds Subjects would remain Citizens of the UK and if they would get any Embassy representation. Where did you read this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graiglearn Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 graiglearn - at the moment the potential breakup of the UK is more important that fieldsports. If the vote is "no" - no change. If the "yes" vote carries the day, Scots will have what they wanted. I don't think fieldsports, economy, loyalty to the UK come into their thinking. They just mention "our oil". I'm sure that nice Mr Salmond will bring in lower taxes, improved NHS, a mighty Navy, an increased Army, an Air Force to be proud of, a swanky castle for himself and more fieldsports. Seriously, I am past caring. They do what they will do and I trust either side will respect the decision. We will see what they are genuinely made of. PS. - I sincerely hope that those who are intimidating voters will crawl back under their stone. more important than your sport , remember everything that was implimented in Scotland around our sport will be quoted to by the Brian Mays and antis of all countries, so no tail docking ,no snaring and if this lot get there way no shooting or fishing .Scotland will be used as an example by the same cretins that Salmond and the present lot represent, so be carefull that like the flu ,the policies dont spread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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