Biggthepool05 Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Is it illegal to photocopy your FAC as I want one to leave in car as Iam always forgetting to take my original ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Bill Harriman reckons so, and if you look on your certificate it states Crown copyright if I recall. This topic has been discussed many times on here; it may be quicker to ring him c/o BASC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 It has been covered not long ago and people will give you loads of different opinions on what is legal and what isn't but I always leave the original in the car and have a photo copy in my gun slip so if I'm asked to produce it by the bill the worst that will happen is a walk to the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telf Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 i have mine copied and leave it in the car,been pulled once showed the officer the cert and he never said anything,they normally radio in and check anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happypig Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 For those that are worried about copies, why not redact your address for the car. Might solve the issue for those worried about security and would be obvious it was a copy. Can't see licensing authorities being worried about a single copy to be carried for ease of a stop check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobba Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 (edited) In case I drop or lose my SGC I keep a copy in the pocket of my gunslip and the original at home. I have blacked out the address on the copy in case I lose it as I don't want the finder to know where guns are kept. And if stopped by the police I can produce my driving licence with address and matching mugshot. Some may criticise this practice but I'm comfortable with it. And, as far as copyright is concerned, I recall reading somewhere that you can take one copy of a copyright document for personal use. Edited September 9, 2014 by Bobba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdsallpl Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 I always carry the original on my person whenever I have a gun with me. Can't see why you would need to do anything different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 If that's the case,NPPC ask for you to send them a copy of your shotgun licence along with passport sized photos.They keep it on file (so they must have hundreds of copies of members SGCs) as long as your a member but do return it if you leave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) I always carry the original on my person whenever I have a gun with me. Can't see why you would need to do anything different. You could loose the thing and after five years it falls to pieces along the fold lines. One of Mine was really getting tatty and one gunshop said that it was getting illegible. Every plod and feo will tell you something different. Several times I have been told that a copy is acceptable as it only carries the proof that you have the details on you. They can check. >> COPY. Edited September 10, 2014 by fortune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdsallpl Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 You could loose the thing and after five years it falls to pieces along the fold lines. One of Mine was really getting tatty and one gunshop said that it was getting illegible. Every plod and feo will tell you something different. Several times I have been told that a copy is acceptable as it only carries the proof that you have the details on you. They can check. >> COPY. I've had shotgun certificates since they were little white folded cards in the sixties. Never lost one and never had one fall to bits. Funny enough I have a diamond ring, never lost that or had it fall to bits either. ( being a bit sarky there but couldn't resist it) The point I'm making is you just have to be careful and look after it. Because it is important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 I've had shotgun certificates since they were little white folded cards in the sixties. Never lost one and never had one fall to bits. Funny enough I have a diamond ring, never lost that or had it fall to bits either. ( being a bit sarky there but couldn't resist it) The point I'm making is you just have to be careful and look after it. Because it is important. As above, although mine did fall to bits eventually. In justification I am out with a gun of some sort very regularly throughout the year and they were transferred from one pocket to another, sat on, got wet, folded and unfolded that many times until my RFD was having to piece bits of them together before he could enter ammo etc on them. I told licensing I'd put them through the washer and they sent me crispy new ones. They still go everywhere my guns go, but not treated as roughly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorismyhero Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 put em in your PW licence holder, then in slip. I drive to perm, take gun out of slip and leave slip in van...with the licence and signed permission in it... If plod wants to see my licence then he can walk back to van with me .....without doubt the excercise will be beneficial for him.... HOWEVER....if you do want to make a copy, then from my understanding of copyright laws...which is NOT a legal opinion you understand...it is quite legal to make ONE copy of your licence (and shrink it/laminate it if you wish) for your own personal use. (this applies to most documents, books and "reports" and magazines are different, up to 5% or the best part of ONE chapter is allowed for study purposes). Where there MAY be a problem of course is that the copy is "unattested" and therefore NOT, strictly speaking a legal document and as such a strict (jobsworth) plod may refuse to accept it and then you are in the same position of "not having your licece with you"....I do beleive also that to avoid accusations of "fraud" you should make sure that the copy contains the words "this is a copy of the licence which is in my possession" or some such other wording. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbust Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 When you copy them they have a water mark with the word Fraud on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Copy it if you like, I've photographed mine on my phone. It's always in my pocket and is just as good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 I recall the Bill Harriman article and the substance of this was you should not copy SGC etc and passports but there were letters later in Shooting Times (I think) effectively saying a black and white copy was not an attempt to forge a copy and thus for the average plod a copy gave him the information he needed to check you are who you are and you are entitled to carry a gun. One letter concerned the gun itself (a few plods seemed to think they needed to check gun carried against guns owned) but you just have to point out, calmly, this is a bit like being a named driver on motor insurance ie you don't have to own the gun/car to use/drive it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejt Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 I've had my licence copied by an rfd when I bought various firearms off them. As far as I know they keep a copy for their records, is this not standard practice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzab Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Driving licence + radio + PNC. That'll do for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Have decided this year to photo licence onto iPhone which is always with me - overcomes the issue of forging and gives plod or any other meddling person a nice picture of me that they can expand to compare if in doubt. That copy always became a soggy mess whichever pocket Ikept it in and one less thing to worry about. We get quite a few antis after us and there is always the worry plod might get called if thingss get heated as they have done from time to time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 I've had my licence copied by an rfd when I bought various firearms off them. As far as I know they keep a copy for their records, is this not standard practice? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 There is absolutely NOTHING ILLEGAL in photocopying your own FAC or SGC and using it as a copy to verify you have one. Someone show me legislation where it states it is illegal! There may certainly be issues if you try and use a photocopy for any illicit means, and you need the original for a number of situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 When you copy them they have a water mark with the word Fraud on it. Only shows up on photocopy....... This is/was down to individual regions, mine didn't for years, then it did, now they don't bother anymore! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Fraud issue not a problem with greater access to PNC ie even the thickest plod can make a quick phone to check car/driver/gun licence validity. This is why MOTis now a sheet of white A4 paper printed at point of pass. It's all on the 'puter. As I said have got mine on iPhone as plod can now check photo etc w/o ned for me to have licence with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 i scanned both my licenses to PDF and then stuck them in ibooks on my phone for carrying around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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