ollie Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 http://raptorpersecutionscotland.wordpress.com/2014/11/10/they-forgot-the-birds This is a disgrace if these birds were dumped by an estate. In my opinion game birds shouldn't be shot unless they were going to be used. Such a waste, when they are probably dozens of people and retaurants who would take them off your hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 It certainly doesn't make our sport look very good! Even if the birds were badly shot up and no good for consumption, surely unless this is a stink pit, they could have been disposed of better than this. Clearly we don't know the full story so difficult to criticize though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 That is odd. Is there more to this than meets the eye? Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 That is odd. Is there more to this than meets the eye? Blackpowder Normally yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee m Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 in answer to black powders is there more to this than meets the eye, possibly, but probably not. I have worked on shoots where dumping birds is the norm and was down in devon last year picking up on a large shoot, at the end of the day the keeper said to take what pheasants we wanted, and when we were returning to the yard, there was a digger excavating a trench, on enquiring on what it was for we were told it was for the birds, he said the game dealer didnt want them as they are only fetching 25 pence, and they would be buried after dark, which i know they were, if basc got there finger out and stopped waisting money why cant they be processed for homeless kitchens and food banks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 That is odd. Is there more to this than meets the eye? Blackpowder +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdsallpl Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Obscene, yet another reason I would never partake in commercial driven shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Pheasants were a fiver each at Burrough market this past weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 In the past there have been occasions when such "dumping" has been faked by those with a vested interest. I think one incident was at Epping Forest and another was in the New Forest area. Birds were posed and photographed from different angles to make it look as though there were many more than there were. If you play "spot the bird" in those three almost identical photos, it amounts to about 20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdsallpl Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Still 20 to many in my opinion, also what about lee m's post. In my view if the game dealer don't want them, the reality is that many of the people that attend commercial shoots aren't prepared to take them home in the feather. Probably some wouldn't know what to do with them anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 It has been quite mild, could be that somebody had a load hanging and they turned so he dumped them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Still 20 to many in my opinion, also what about lee m's post. In my view if the game dealer don't want them, the reality is that many of the people that attend commercial shoots aren't prepared to take them home in the feather. Probably some wouldn't know what to do with them anyway. The 20 birds could have been legitimately purchased from a Game Dealer and "posed", is what I am suggesting. lee m has worked on Shoots where birds have been dumped, but at none of the Shoots I have beaten and shot on has this been the case, nor has anyone else spoken to me about first hand experiences of this happening. We shouldn't be so quick to jump at the conclusion this type of propaganda intends us to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy.plinker Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 If someone dumped that amount wouldn't it be in one pile and not scattered over a small area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 At this time every year these posts appear as Cranfield has already pointed out it makes you wonder why the hell would a sportsman dump shed loads of game birds not pointing the finger but in my opinion it's antis stirring the couldren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 I reckon it was a pheasant suicide cult. Very gullible creatures pheasants, and this compounds the effects of their sensitive nature and frequent feelings of low self worth. Alot of it comes from an irrational fear of death. For some like these poor fellows its a way of them regaining control of their lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 I think we need to open our eyes as to what sometimes goes on in our chosen sport instead and lambaste those responsible for such a waste of decent food instead of trying to think up 100 different reasons as to how the birds ended dumped . Burying our heads in the sand and pretending it is always someone else's fault will do nothing to stop it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitfitter Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 25 years keepering on private and commercial and never had to bin a bird ever the game dealers are always crying out for our game if any shoot is dumping birds for whatever reason they should be named and shamed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 I deplore the waste of any food stuffs, and can remember the days when a brace of pheasants was a prize indeed. If? If a shoot or estate had surplus birds and unable to sell or give them away I would have thought they would have had the discretion to bury them(a disgrace) as has already been mentioned by a previous poster. It seems the height of stupidity for some one to dispose of those birds as depicted in the photographs and provide fuel for the rabid anti shooting brigade. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdsallpl Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 At this time every year these posts appear as Cranfield has already pointed out it makes you wonder why the hell would a sportsman dump shed loads of game birds not pointing the finger but in my opinion it's antis stirring the couldren. Yes but isn't this also the time of year when commercial shoots get the big bags. Could be the time of year when there is an excess of birds in some areas. Just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootnfish Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Surely if they had all been there for a while there would be a few half eaten carcasses and feathers scattered about. Something would of fancied a nibble, unless they were dumped a day or so before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) The emphasis and wording of the text displays an obvious bias against game shooting. Study the birds in all three pic's closely. The same three birds are present in around the centre of all three pics, but some have been added to the third pic, which are present at the bottom. It is obvious all three pic's are taken from more or less the same location, but some of the birds have been moved and some of the bracken has also. I'm very cynical as to the validity of them to be honest, but real or posed, the damage is now done. In all my years of shooting driven game I have never known birds to be dumped; even at 25p each our game dealers would jump at the chance as in the quantities they are shot, even at 25p each they have a value, even if its game pie. I have heard of antis buying birds to deliberately dump, and there was such an incident some years ago given high profile coverage by the Daily Mail if I recall. It was ultimately exposed as anti propaganda, but not with the same high profile coverage obviously. Edited to add that after reading some of the comments following the article there is much defence of the photographers reluctance to 'name and shame', citing their own protection as reason, which is ludicrous.If they want to add validity to their claims then there is no reason why they can't report this incident to many bodies, but choose not to. 'A Scottish Estate'.......that's narrowed it down eh! Pathetic. Edited November 10, 2014 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 It's certainly the same spot, that very particular moss covered branch is in the back of all photos, I think the estimate of 20 is high, I got low teens. Agreed it doesn't paint us in a good light it equally there is no naming of a site or even area so it does smell fishy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 In the words of Victor Meldrew,"i dont believe it". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 I've had a brace this season that were off by the time I got home,went to breast them out and they stunk. This could have been the case with theese dumped birds. Let's not be to quick to slate shoots without the facts. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) I've had a brace this season that were off by the time I got home,went to breast them out and they stunk. This could have been the case with theese dumped birds. Let's not be to quick to slate shoots without the facts. Figgy Exactly that, its still too mild and humid to hang anything for long here. I'd rather leave spoilt birds for charlie than bin them. All the photo shows is a scattering of dead pheasants. There is nothing to pin on any shoot based on such shaky evidence. On the other hand though, i blame the Agency. Edited November 10, 2014 by ack-ack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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