UKPoacher Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 The thing is, the girl involved has had her evidence at the first trial completely trashed and you have to now wonder about the police investigation and the way evidence was presented at the first trial. They must have known things were not right, but they went for it anyway. There does appear to have been an element of stitch up. Probably because he was a footballer, they feared dropping it would draw accusations of a cover up, and it would have. . Now they are going to find themselves right under the spotlight in a very big way and the compensation lawyers will be circling. I would not like to be in their shoes. A few years ago there was a public campaign about the police not taking rape allegations serious and erring on the side of the accused or trying to get the victims to drop the case for crime stat' purposes. As a result the pendulum has now swung the other way and many people are now prosecuted on evidence that would previously have been deemed to be unconvincing. https://campaignforsocialscience.org.uk/sex-crimes-recorded/ https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/mar/04/police-behaviour-sex-attacks-women-change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vince Green Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 A few years ago there was a public campaign about the police not taking rape allegations serious and erring on the side of the accused or trying to get the victims to drop the case for crime stat' purposes. As a result the pendulum has now swung the other way and many people are now prosecuted on evidence that would previously have been deemed to be unconvincing. https://campaignforsocialscience.org.uk/sex-crimes-recorded/ https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/mar/04/police-behaviour-sex-attacks-women-change Quite a few years ago I was sitting in a pub with a mate I went to school with, a serving copper in the Met and his girlfriend who was a WPC in the Met. She had just been put on the very first dedicated rape team in the Met which was being set up at the time as a new venture. (yes it was that long ago) She was really enthusiastic and they had been going through old case notes as part of the training. One thing she said that night has always stuck in my mind. Many accusers have made accusations in the past and part of her job was to identify and filter out the attention seekers, the grudges and the fruitcakes. Damned if they do, damned if they don't it would appear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris1961 Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 So now he has been cleared he served 2.5 years career in taters hope the women involved is proud with herself don't get me wrong anyone who commits rape should be locked up and the key thrown away so what happens to the women who lied and ruined not only his career but his life true he should have been more careful but he has paid for a crime he did not comit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) Quite a few years ago I was sitting in a pub with a mate I went to school with, a serving copper in the Met and his girlfriend who was a WPC in the Met. She had just been put on the very first dedicated rape team in the Met which was being set up at the time as a new venture. (yes it was that long ago) She was really enthusiastic and they had been going through old case notes as part of the training. One thing she said that night has always stuck in my mind. Many accusers have made accusations in the past and part of her job was to identify and filter out the attention seekers, the grudges and the fruitcakes. Damned if they do, damned if they don't it would appear It is a very difficult situation. Investigating someone for a spurious allegation of rape can affect the suspect for life. Not taking the allegation seriously could potentially lead to more victims. Someone has to make that call. From my personal point of view, at the very lowest level of British policing, i.e. the uniformed response role; I had never come across a genuine case of rape from when I started in 1987 until around 2005. And I only came across one genuine legally defined rape and that was a technicality. Most were slappers or willing participants who later regretted their actions or had been found out my parents or husbands / partners. What many don't realise that in the eyes of the law consent to sexual activity cannot be given while drunk. So if you and the wife come home from the pub a bit tiddly and get on with it, both of you are committing an illegal act as neither of you can legally consent to it. If consensual sex takes place over the bins outside a nightclub it doesn't matter that both parties were gagging for it, one could later allege rape and the other is by nature of the law guilty. That is why there are so many miscarriages of justice and historically reluctance fr the police to besmirch one party on the uncorroborated allegations of another. Edited October 14, 2016 by UKPoacher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 So now he has been cleared he served 2.5 years career in taters hope the women involved is proud with herself don't get me wrong anyone who commits rape should be locked up and the key thrown away so what happens to the women who lied and ruined not only his career but his life true he should have been more careful but he has paid for a crime he did not comit That's true but I'm not completely sorry for him. All that trouble could have been avoided. OK he paid a very high price but he was the architect of his own downfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 That's true but I'm not completely sorry for him. All that trouble could have been avoided. OK he paid a very high price but he was the architect of his own downfall. It was a stupid thing that they did but not the big deal that it was made out to be hope he can come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 Not that big a deal? Not sure i would use that description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 Not that big a deal? Not sure i would use that description. Nor would I. If they chose to behave like deranged animals I have no sympathy whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveboy Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 He may be turning vegetarian,He was heard outside court saying "I'm not having a spit roast again" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 It was a stupid thing that they did but not the big deal that it was made out to be hope he can come back. I agree. They made it out to be rape when it wasnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRDS Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 (edited) Funny how witnesses magically appear when 50k is offered by his girlfriend, wonder if she wrote a script for them. Why on earth would she stand by the slug. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3838534/Ched-Evans-fiancee-offered-50-000-reward-evidence-Facebook.html Edited October 15, 2016 by JRDS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adge Cutler Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 Funny how witnesses magically appear when 50k is offered by his girlfriend, wonder if she wrote a script for them. Why on earth would she stand by the slug. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3838534/Ched-Evans-fiancee-offered-50-000-reward-evidence-Facebook.html Perhaps she loves him.?? Evans is a fool but the girls moral principles were obviously on the same plane. Invited to a hotel room with 2 male footballers..? Did she think she was going there to watch Strictly and play monopoly.?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 Funny how witnesses magically appear when 50k is offered by his girlfriend, wonder if she wrote a script for them. Why on earth would she stand by the slug. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3838534/Ched-Evans-fiancee-offered-50-000-reward-evidence-Facebook.html That is one of the biggest problems facing the Criminal Justice System. An increasing number of people including eye witnesses who may have vital evidence about cases will not willingly participate in the case. There is an old joke about a murder scene in a play in New York and half the audience walked out and said they hadn't seen anything. That is the situation faced by prosecutors every day now. Sadly sometimes money is the only way to get people to step forward and give evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 Perhaps she loves him.?? Evans is a fool but the girls moral principles were obviously on the same plane. Invited to a hotel room with 2 male footballers..? Did she think she was going there to watch Strictly and play monopoly.?? Not true, Evans friend took her to the hotel then got in touch with Evans saying get over here I've got a girl here. Evans went then sneaked out through a side exit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adge Cutler Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 Not true, Evans friend took her to the hotel then got in touch with Evans saying get over here I've got a girl here. Evans went then sneaked out through a side exit. Sorry I stand corrected.. So presumably she could have left at anytime or called the receptionist or concierge if she felt threatened. Personally I think this is nothing more than three consenting adults, albeit of low moral principles, having sex and one subsequently thought they could make a substantial sum of money out of it. Irrespective of anyone's opinion of Evans. Justice has prevailed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 Sorry I stand corrected.. So presumably she could have left at anytime or called the receptionist or concierge if she felt threatened. Personally I think this is nothing more than three consenting adults, albeit of low moral principles, having sex and one subsequently thought they could make a substantial sum of money out of it. Irrespective of anyone's opinion of Evans. Justice has prevailed. The Prosecutions case is that she was too drunk to make any decisions. I also believe that some money has been spread around witnesses and I do not believe the females past sexual activity has any bearing on the matter. Its a pointless debate, as he has been found not guilty, but I think he is very guilty indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 On the day he was found guilty, a man contacted the Police to say the conviction was unsound. No reward offered at that stage, so money wasn't a factor there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 Sorry I stand corrected.. So presumably she could have left at anytime or called the receptionist or concierge if she felt threatened. Personally I think this is nothing more than three consenting adults, albeit of low moral principles, having sex and one subsequently thought they could make a substantial sum of money out of it. Irrespective of anyone's opinion of Evans. Justice has prevailed. Concierge? It was a Premier Inn. The best she could hope for was that Lenny Henry was passing by Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adge Cutler Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 (edited) The Prosecutions case is that she was too drunk to make any decisions. I also believe that some money has been spread around witnesses and I do not believe the females past sexual activity has any bearing on the matter. Its a pointless debate, as he has been found not guilty, but I think he is very guilty indeed. Good job your not a high court judge then Canfield ..or 25% of the young party goers in every major city in the country would probably end up in the slammer on Sunday Morning. My niece works in a Premier Inn..She often jokes that the dawn chorus of birds singing normally starts at the same time the pubs and clubs close. Concierge? It was a Premier Inn. The best she could hope for was that Lenny Henry was passing by Quite... Edited October 15, 2016 by Adge Cutler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 I'm sure that money will come in to the equation now though. I'm sure that his legal team will claim substantial loss and damages from the police and or anyone that has a penny to spare. Loss of earnings,damage to reputation, personal liberty, the list will be long and expensive. Our company was sued heavily just for a driver cutting his thumb on the premises. And we are talking about a very small cut. We thought he was joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 Concierge? It was a Premier Inn. The best she could hope for was that Lenny Henry was passing by Premier Inns have someone on reception 24 hours a day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 Funny how witnesses magically appear when 50k is offered by his girlfriend, wonder if she wrote a script for them. Why on earth would she stand by the slug. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3838534/Ched-Evans-fiancee-offered-50-000-reward-evidence-Facebook.html It's not for the cash, Her family are loaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Premier Inns have someone on reception 24 hours a day Yes, a good old-fashioned receptionist. Not a Concierge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 I agree. They made it out to be rape when it wasnt. The case hinged on if she was too drunk to give consent to Evans. Isn't rape sexual intercourse without consent? She went to the hotel with one guy, had sex ( i don't know if it was consensual) and then had sex with another. The law, which we have to abide by has found him not guilty after a retrial........ Morally?? Both men have the morals of the gutter.... Let's not forget, Evans was with the current girlfriend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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