Gordon R Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Evans is a disgrace, but innocent of rape. I don't know whether I am amused or saddened by the alleged "victim's" father hitting the papers, saying the inference was that his daughter somehow asked for it. Sex with one bloke a few days before, sex with Evan's mate, sex with Evan's, sex with another man, days after. A daughter to be proud of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 The case hinged on if she was too drunk to give consent to Evans. Isn't rape sexual intercourse without consent? She went to the hotel with one guy, had sex ( i don't know if it was consensual) and then had sex with another. The law, which we have to abide by has found him not guilty after a retrial........ Morally?? Both men have the morals of the gutter.... Let's not forget, Evans was with the current girlfriend. Im not here to speak about morals. Im betting loads of folk on here have morals that would make others boak,so ill stick to the law. As said he was accused of rape,and didnt do it and has been found so. As for cheating on his girlfriend? Meh,it happens,by millions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddoakley Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Not knowing all the facts and only what has been seen in the media (and social media) doesn't allow an a curate view of the situation. But from the information available it seems that justice has prevailed. Whether people here think he was wrong to have sex with that girl is irrelevant. His morals, or people opinions of them is irrelevant. Just to pick up on a couple of issues: she consented to sex with one man while she was drunk but he wasn't guilty of rape but another was? She "walked" into the hotel in a reasonable state but then was too drunk to consent to Evans joining in? It seemed to be a stitch up from the start and now that has been agreed in court. He has served time in jail and his life has been ruined. I genuinely hope that he receives the right compensation financially for that but guess that no amount of money can ever undo what's been done. I hope somehow he can be given help to get back into his career and can succeed. Edd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 sako - I half agree - there must be a fair number of men / women cheating on their partner. The difference with Evans is that his mate rang him and said he had got a "bird". Evans races round there, hasn't a clue who she is, what she looks like or the state she is in. Arrives, lies to gain access to the room, has sex with her and sneaks out. Not your typical cheat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddoakley Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Also to add that a friend of mine/the family was convicted of assaulting a girl. He is also a professional sportsman. Luckily he wasn't sentenced to a custodial term and it didn't have too much affect on his career, but it did affect him greatly and he fought tooth and nail to have the conviction overturned. It was and he was found not guilty. Months later the same girl made allegations against the new boyfriend (also a "celebrity ") and that was laughed out of court. She was/is a proper nut job and set out to hurt people and to get money out of it, from what I can see the girl in the Evans case is similar. Edd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 sako - I half agree - there must be a fair number of men / women cheating on their partner. The difference with Evans is that his mate rang him and said he had got a "bird". Evans races round there, hasn't a clue who she is, what she looks like or the state she is in. Arrives, lies to gain access to the room, has sex with her and sneaks out. Not your typical cheat. I agree,and im far from saying his behavior is any way acceptable or that of a role model.However,if he wasnt a famous person we would never have heard one word about this and it would have been just another night in the life of a young lady enjoying herself. None of them come out well in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 sako - totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 (edited) Im not here to speak about morals. Im betting loads of folk on here have morals that would make others boak,so ill stick to the law. As said he was accused of rape,and didnt do it and has been found so. As for cheating on his girlfriend? Meh,it happens,by millions. I don't disagree about him being found innocent. The law is the law and we choose to live by it. It doen't mean he didn't do it, it means he was found innocent and we have to live with that, we can't pick or choose. To another poster-, she could have had sex with 6 guys in a row that night consensually, a female has the right to change her mind at any point. I've already said the cases hinged on if she was sober enough to give consent. As Gordon and Sako have said, no comes out of this well. Edited October 16, 2016 by keg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achosenman Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 (edited) God some of you are so out of touch with the morals of a significant percentage of modern men and women these days, its laughable. Multiple partners in an evening is a good night out for some. Tinder and Grinder are used by a great many of my cabin crew colleagues' for casual encounters on every trip. The prolific nature is such that the number of partners a young "lady" can accrue is simply staggering to those of us who are in their 40's. As for the antics this young lady got up to, that was basic 101 stuff. If Evans isn't smart enough to keep it in his trousers, then it's just a matter of time before he gets trapped. Atb Edited October 16, 2016 by achosenman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blundy Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 The only thing Evans was guilty of is cheating on his girlfriend . His career has suffered beyond repair he was on the verge of securing Sheffield united promotion , which would have meant bigger and better wages , thus after this for 2 years no club would dare touch him for fear of fans boycotting clubs . He's now playing at Chesterfield on fraction of his wages . Also not to mention been dropped from wales squad . I hope he gets chance to further his career and hope the guy well in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 https://thesecretbarrister.com/2016/10/14/10-myths-busted-about-the-ched-evans-case/?utm_content=bufferc0227&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 So the bloke gets invited for a bonk with another blokes pickup.. Perhaps he will keep the ball on the field and fly zipped firmly up,,Not the first or last, Think what it cost him,,He had a girl friend and chose to stick his neck out(exuse the pun).. No Sympathy what ever for him.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 achosenman - I am glad I don't move in your circles. You might describe them as "modern", I would describe them as slags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achosenman Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Gordon R so do I, but I keep my opinion to myself. Atb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Son of a friend works at Evan's former club and this outcome was exactly as they all expected. Just sad it has taken several years and ruined the lives of at least two stupid youngsters. Let's hope the current crop of overpaid and oversexed players take note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canis Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Ive two thoughts on this whole saga : 1, ...and the moral of this story is if you want to act out a porn film depravity , don't do it with a booze raddled slapper who might regret it in the morning . 2, probably more relevant to us shooters, if you were an FLO would you recommend to your Chief officer that Evans receive a FAC/SGC ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 All for the sake of an easy lay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Ive two thoughts on this whole saga : 1, ...and the moral of this story is if you want to act out a porn film depravity , don't do it with a booze raddled slapper who might regret it in the morning . 2, probably more relevant to us shooters, if you were an FLO would you recommend to your Chief officer that Evans receive a FAC/SGC ? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Not guilty is not guilty, that's the end of it. Some woman on the radio was saying the girl's colourful background should not have been brought up because she was not the one on trial. I disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Not guilty is not guilty, that's the end of it. Some woman on the radio was saying the girl's colourful background should not have been brought up because she was not the one on trial. I disagree I personally don't think it should have been brought up What does it matter if the girl has had sex ten times a night every night for the last six months? That means she can't be raped because she has enjoyed a lot of consensual sex previously? Same as rape in marriage - just because you have consented with your husband for the last five years doesn't mean he can't then rape you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 I personally don't think it should have been brought up What does it matter if the girl has had sex ten times a night every night for the last six months? That means she can't be raped because she has enjoyed a lot of consensual sex previously? Same as rape in marriage - just because you have consented with your husband for the last five years doesn't mean he can't then rape you. We are going to have to disagree on that one, context is everything. Anyway the key bit of evidence from seven previous partners, although only two were called, was that she cried afterwards and that was a piece of evidence used against Evans at his first trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nial Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 The case hinged on if she was too drunk to give consent to Evans. Isn't rape sexual intercourse without consent? She went to the hotel with one guy, had sex ( i don't know if it was consensual) and then had sex with another. If she was too drunk to consent to Evans, how was she not too drunk to consent to his mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 If she was too drunk to consent to Evans, how was she not too drunk to consent to his mate? Also something i've never fully understood, if the female is too drunk to give consent or be reponsible legally, why/how is the bloke never too drunk to be responsible too? Can totaly understand the law for soberish blokes looking for drunk birds to take advantage off, but if the bloke is equally as drunk or worse. An awful lot of blokes will have woke up in some strange beds when they were younger and the beer googles were on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 I can't get my head around the wave of sympathy for the girl concerned. Her name wasn't bandied around although, it seems to have emerged on social media. His name was plastered over every newspaper, on radio / TV and in court. Ched Evans spent 2 1/2 years in prison for a crime he didn't commit. I don't like the man or his morals, but it can't have been a pleasant experience. For those who don't agree with the verdict - bear in mind what is likely to happen to Gloria Hunniford and ITV - keep it to yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 I personally don't think it should have been brought up What does it matter if the girl has had sex ten times a night every night for the last six months? That means she can't be raped because she has enjoyed a lot of consensual sex previously? Same as rape in marriage - just because you have consented with your husband for the last five years doesn't mean he can't then rape you. It's not as black and white. During the trial, Chef Evans claimed she asked him to **** her harder and do it "doggy style". One of the "witnesses" claimed she requested the same 2 weeks after. Saying "**** me harder" suggests consent. The "witnesses" appeared to be brought in to confirm that what Ched Evans claimed to be her behaviour during sex was accurate. Not how many partners she had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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