leeds chimp Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 how old is the son?? i got asked quite a few questions when I got my FAC/SGC so dont be so quick to judge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbust Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 how old is the son?? i got asked quite a few questions when I got my FAC/SGC so dont be so quick to judge Please elaborate as to the relevance of this statement . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbust Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 They werent taken, he surrendered them, in the OP it says he immediately gave the cab key to the police on arrival. As a Police officer attending said incident I would immediately accept the keys for the complainants gun cabinet if he volunteered them without a request to do so. In my opinion, anyone who voluntarily states he has guns and hands over the keys to a secure cabinet is implying by doing so that it would be safer that I (as an attending Police Officer) have possession of them. You have to think, why does he volunteer such information and then hand over cabinet keys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AULD YIN Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 It isn't glee. The OP posts a few facts. Based on what he said - he won't get his guns back, unless the moon is made of green cheese. You then get others saying we are judging without the full facts and start to invent their own "facts". If there are other facts, the OP should have given them before asking for opinions. I think if you read the OP he asked for advice NOT opinions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 recently the was a altercation between me and my son who has plenty ov previous for violence, who vandalised my car (total right off) I dialled 999 they arrived I mentioned I had firearms on the premises instantly gave them the keys to the cabinet , I told them I struck out after seeing my car,I got arrested he was taken to hospital I pressed no charges ,he pressed no charges and now iam waiting to see if I can have my guns back ,no charges was brought against me unfortunate for me iam not a member ov bsac any advice would be nice thanks members iam guttedPerhaps the OP could fill in a bit more info on the circumstances and why he said to the plod that he had got guns and why he felt the need to hand over the keys. was he waving one of the guns about threatening the son? what did he think the plod were going to do? Is the son going to buy him a new car? Dont think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AULD YIN Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) As a Police officer attending said incident I would immediately accept the keys for the complainants gun cabinet if he volunteered them without a request to do so. In my opinion, anyone who voluntarily states he has guns and hands over the keys to a secure cabinet is implying by doing so that it would be safer that I (as an attending Police Officer) have possession of them. You have to think, why does he volunteer such information and then hand over cabinet keys? Maybe he thought better to hand the keys voluntarily to the police rather than the police demand them,how long would/should it have taken the police to find out that firearms (not guns as you state) where at this address? Edited April 25, 2015 by AULD YIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray7757 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Best advice I have is ask to speak to your Local Firearms Officer and ask him what the situation is The guys on here will give you opinions based on what you said ,,,,,, what they think you said,, or just off the cuff remarks,, 99% very well meaning, but the only people who can tell you what to do is 1:- a solicitor, if you can afford one, or 2:- your Local Firearms Officer personally I would go for a chat with the Firearms Officer, he might just surprise you and it may not be as dire as you are thinking Best of Luck Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayano3 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 How could you ever hit your own son. He had previous for violence ....must have been bought up really well. I'm surprised you got a ticket in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) As a Police officer attending said incident I would immediately accept the keys for the complainants gun cabinet if he volunteered them without a request to do so. In my opinion, anyone who voluntarily states he has guns and hands over the keys to a secure cabinet is implying by doing so that it would be safer that I (as an attending Police Officer) have possession of them. You have to think, why does he volunteer such information and then hand over cabinet keys? And u would be quite right to take the keys. But mibee the OP is slightly brainwashed from reading to many threads on here and thought ur meant to volanteer the info and keys? As Auld yin says above when ur called out would u automatically be informed of firearms on premises? Or told to secure them? Or just a incident by incident and deals with each as they need? Sometimes it seems to be first advice offered for a multitude of simple problems is to put ur guns into storage at RFD's, not saying not a good idea is some circumstances but not every time something tiny happens (not saying this is a small incident thou) Some would have u doing it every time u leave the toilet seat up. The only advice is phone BASC or SAC's or other org but to be honest ur relying on them bending the rues for u slightly to take case on, depending on the info u've left out might sway it by how good a chance of winning it are. If no luck a decent lawyer ideally with some firearms knowledge Bet some of u really miss the good old days when it only took a tiny it of heresay/rumour to give u an excuse to round up a few 'witches' for a good stoning/burning/drowning They're is so little info really impossible to make any judgement, (never mind about his parenting skills), u may all be right and he may struggle to get his tickets back esp in modern climate but all depends on the detail really (or it should) (is son in hosp after being beaten to a pulp or being pushed defencsively and fell over and sprained/broke ankle/wrist, very big difference in my book) Ps not making up any 'facts' just saying there is a lot of grey areas and very little facts. Just saying kiss ur guns goodbye does not really help anyone (althou it may be true) Edited April 25, 2015 by scotslad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telf Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 no reply from the poster to any of the posts ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Is this another thread which is another time and bandwidth wasting exercise. Again the OP has fallen down a hole in the ground. No one knows what the facts of the circumstances and the characters involved are. Why did the son damage the vehicle and why did the dad feel the need to use violence? There was a potential risk of this developing into a more serious situation and plod had no other alternative than to take the guns away. But did they take away all of the carving knives and blunt instruments within a five mile radius also? The OP realised that there was a risk and did the correct thing by surrendering the potential risk to the authorities. He can show that he acted in a controled manner realising that there was a risk for the situation to escalate into something bigger. Many of the previous posters have jumped the gun and hung the guy without full knowledge. It could have been a situation that the dad feared that the son could overpower him and take control of the guns and really go and do a lot of damage. Does anyone on here know the OP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 How could you ever hit your own son. He had previous for violence ....must have been bought up really well. I'm surprised you got a ticket in the first place. really? sometimes the sheer rudeness of some people on here is far and above anywhere else i have ever frequented... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose man Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) How could you ever hit your own son. He had previous for violence ....must have been bought up really well. I'm surprised you got a ticket in the first place. Bit of a sweeping statement considering you now nothing about the op other than what you read of a single post .Sad fact is some kids just don't turn out as you would like regardless of their upbringing . You are judge , jury & executioner ..oh to be perfect Edited April 25, 2015 by moose man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les*1066 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Best advice I have is ask to speak to your Local Firearms Officer and ask him what the situation is The guys on here will give you opinions based on what you said ,,,,,, what they think you said,, or just off the cuff remarks,, 99% very well meaning, but the only people who can tell you what to do is 1:- a solicitor, if you can afford one, or 2:- your Local Firearms Officer personally I would go for a chat with the Firearms Officer, he might just surprise you and it may not be as dire as you are thinking Best of Luck Ray +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 It is highly unlikely that if the OP's son lives with him or has access to his house he will get his guns back. It is also a strong possibility that as he was arrested for putting his son in the hospital, he will be deemed suitable to retain his license. My advice to the OP would be to speak to a specialist firearms solicitor. All he needs to do is Google "specialist firearms solicitors" and chose one. David Barrington Barnes, 07887 762275 or 07963 523293, http://www.shootinglaw.co.uk/is highly recommended. However, in his heart of hearts, the OP may know that instructing a solicitor is just throwing money away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AULD YIN Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 really? sometimes the sheer rudeness of some people on here is far and above anywhere else i have ever frequented... +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerry Posted April 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) first iam a responsible dad 6 sons 1 bad apple I have done everything by the book and defended my self and my home !! the police that arrived didn't know at the time there was firearms in the house until I told them .he does not live here !! he started on my misses also but thanks for all comments some good, some not but hey ho I will wait and see . happy shooting folks Edited April 25, 2015 by gerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AULD YIN Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Thought your address would have flagged up as a firearms holder on the initial call,in my book you followed the correct procedure in declaring you had firearms on the premises. johnnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbietherimmer Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Its a forum so no surprise to see some of the opinions on here but they are just opinions- the authorities will deal with you as they see fit. We don't know the full facts, background etc etc so clutching at straws isn't helping the OP. One thing I would say is that I think it should be compulsory to have insurance/be a member of a proper organisation if you have a gun/firearm. If you can afford a gun, cabinet, ammo, fancy wellies etc etc then you can afford insurance and then you would have representation from BASC or the like in your hour of need. I wouldn't be pleased if my subs and those other responsible guys who pay were used to deal with every no mark who ends up bother and then expects free help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAB1954 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Its a forum so no surprise to see some of the opinions on here but they are just opinions- the authorities will deal with you as they see fit. We don't know the full facts, background etc etc so clutching at straws isn't helping the OP. One thing I would say is that I think it should be compulsory to have insurance/be a member of a proper organisation if you have a gun/firearm. If you can afford a gun, cabinet, ammo, fancy wellies etc etc then you can afford insurance and then you would have representation from BASC or the like in your hour of need. I wouldn't be pleased if my subs and those other responsible guys who pay were used to deal with every no mark who ends up bother and then expects free help. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny thomas Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Best of luck sirWith vague info from one side you can't get a fair /resonable solution from us if you are in the right I hope all ends well if you're not I hope you get what's comingPs I'd never shoot my oldest son he's a reet massive 21 year old prop foward and it would **** him right off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Juicer Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Pre emptied strike. You can hit somebody before they hit you. Police out batoning people and soldiers out shooting enemy dead, have shotguns etc. No biggy. Although more detail needed from op. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 first iam a responsible dad 6 sons 1 bad apple I have done everything by the book and defended my self and my home !! the police that arrived didn't know at the time there was firearms in the house until I told them .he does not live here !! he started on my misses also but thanks for all comments some good, some not but hey ho I will wait and see . happy shooting folks Depending on the level of your sons injury if any then you might, might be okay. Look at Section 3 Criminal Law act in relation to using force to stop him vandalising your car or restrain him after doing so and common law use of force in order to protect yourself or another (your wife) from unlawful violence. A solicitor will have far greater knowledge if these will be a defence in your situation. Contrary to what some believe here you don't have to stand there and watch someone smash your property up or punch you in the face before doing something about it. Yes it won't prevent you being arrested or having firearms removed but these are two points of law that might help you out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 Pre emptied strike. You can hit somebody before they hit you. Police out batoning people and soldiers out shooting enemy dead, have shotguns etc. You forgot bodybuilders punching disabled people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 Pre emptied strike. You can hit somebody before they hit you. I presume you mean pre-emptive strike. The OP wasn't about to get hit - according to is post - he hit his son when he saw that his car had been vandalised. Police out batoning people and soldiers out shooting enemy dead, have shotguns etc. No biggy. Just what this has to do with the thread is beyond me. Just another pop at the Police for no good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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