Mutiny Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Evening chaps, my grandma died recently and we've been sorting through the house clearing decades of junk. My Aunt found this in a corner of the garage, with some drain rods and other ****. I have my SGC & FAC, and will be speaking to my FEO on Monday about this - they've already been over to collect a revolver (typically that was in fantastic condition!). No one in the family (who is still living) has ever seen it before, so no help there. I'm interested in finding out the history of the gun, maker, possible age etc, and I'm hoping someone on pigeonwatch is going to be the person to tell me lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 It's an old percussion muzzle loader no liscense required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Nice find. I haven't got a clue as to any thing about it but it looks like it would make a lovely wall hanger with a bit of work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Perhaps underdog or demonwolf444 may be able to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 No idea other than an original percussion gun. Is there any name on the top rib? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutiny Posted May 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 It's an old percussion muzzle loader no liscense required. But only if you plan to keep it as an ornament/collectors item, which I do not! If you plan on using it it needs to go on your certificate. Granted, it needs a substantial amount of work put in to get it to the point of safely being able to use it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutiny Posted May 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 No idea other than an original percussion gun. Is there any name on the top rib? Not that I can see, but I'll clean it up a bit tomorrow and see if there are any markings underneath the top layers of rust and grime! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Be careful about how you try and clean it up .I would soak the slide pin in releasing fluid first ,so that you can take it apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Do check it is unloaded mate! Many an old front stuffer has been found loaded from decades back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Do check it is unloaded mate! Many an old front stuffer has been found loaded from decades back! Very good point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonwolf444 Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Please please please check its unloaded slide a rod down the barrel till it stops, mark where it gets to and then measure it up against the outside of the barrel, it should obviously be at least the same length as the outside of the barrels up to the breach plugs, any less and its loaded in which case you need to pull the charge from the muzzle i have a cork screw attached to a length of dowel to achieve this. It will be really embarrassing when you have the canny idea to just use a bit of heat to loosen screw X and you end up with a large chunk of plaster missing from the next wall and tinnitus. The gun is just fine i have restored many in similar to worse condition. As it is an original muzzle loader it falls within section 58 B of the firearms act which is a provision within the act where you can own and display antique shotguns provided they are obsolete, and that you do not intend to shoot it so obviously there is absolutely no need to deactivate it. Don't deactivate it. When left to rust these iron Damascus barrels can get really thin. From the pictures there is really nothing to distinguish it, its probably somewhere between 11 and 16 bore, but we can't know without seeing the proof marks, it could be a maker or no maker as in a gun produced as part of the brummie trade. Proof marks will tell us where and when it was proofed, carefull cleaning up will tell us who made it if anyone, Bad cleaning up will destroy that evidence forever. If you want any advice on cleaning it up without ruining it please do PM me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonwolf444 Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 After its cleaned up its fully possible that it might be a candidate to shoot, in which case you can put it on your shotgun ticket. However when cleaning you find all sorts, it might be a rifled ball gun or i might have holes rusted clean through the barrel, or extensive pitting. PM sent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutiny Posted May 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Thanks for the advice guys! I've put a rod down the barrel and there is an approximate difference in length of 20mm, both barrels show the same difference. Demonwolf - do not fear, it won't be getting deactivated! Many thanks for your input, will check my PM'S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Sounds safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutiny Posted May 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Thanks for the confirmation, not that I'll be carrying out the work myself, but still wouldn't been keen on it in the house loaded! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutiny Posted June 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 Just to update this thread - the gun is off on its hollybobs to be restored, and has been identified as being made by W.R Pape of Newcastle. Totally chuffed it's a local job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 A Pape! Jammy ***....nice find. Put pics up when it's back from hols & has got some of its colour back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 A Pape! Jammy ***....nice find. Put pics up when it's back from hols & has got some of its colour back +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutiny Posted June 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) Just to tie this up, here she is now Originally made in 1862 the old girl has been through a lot as the first photos show. A huge thanks to James aka Demonwolf444 who has done a superb job on the restoration! Edited June 6, 2016 by Mutiny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 Very nice, have you had the pleasure of using it yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Wow....what a fabulous find! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Just to tie this up, here she is now Originally made in 1962 the old girl has been through a lot as the first photos show. A huge thanks to James aka Demonwolf444 who has done a superb job on the restoration! That is fantastic what a great find and restoration. 1962? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Stunning gun and a what a brilliant restoration job, well demonwolf444! I assume the year is meant to read 1862? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrelblacker Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Cracking work James, stunning!! All the best. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye18 Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Beautiful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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