Bobby199 Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) I am currently re- finishing the fore end of my gun. (Boiled linseed oil, and it is turning out a million times better than the spray on laquer it had before. I'll do the stock next.) But in thanking the mechanism out of the fire end (to re blue it) I have really knarled up the screws... (They where loctited in) Can anyone tell me what they are/ where I can get new ones (as I fear the state they are in, if I put them back in I'll never get them out again) Many Thanks, James [now that I have written all of this I can put the photos in... How do I do I add them?!] Edited June 3, 2015 by Bobby199 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Photobucket is your friend: http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/274820-how-to-post-pictures-using-photobucket/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bobby199 Posted June 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 And thank you Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) They are likely to be specially made for whatever model of gun you have , a decent engineer / toolmaker should be able to replicate them. Edited June 3, 2015 by fenboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 If the threads are okay, I would be tempted to file the surface flat and true up the sides of the slots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby199 Posted June 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Thank you fenboy. Does anyone else have any idea? As having them made sounds expensive!... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby199 Posted June 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Thank you Gordon R... I did not refresh the page. I will try that, but they are not in a good way! Would they not be any kind of standardised size... Or should I write to the maker and ask for some? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 As you can see there are lots of helpful comments to help you out of this fix. All I can say is that it is a good job you haven't been asked to decoy pigeons of late with the promise of a red letter day. Those screws will be an essential part of your weapon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby199 Posted June 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 It's alright I have other guns I can fall back on. I am going to try and fix the screws... I just may need to source some more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 take them into your local gunsmith....................he (i kid you not)....will have a chest full of spare "rescued screws...and might well have a couple of good replacements....take wot they screw into along as well............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby199 Posted June 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Thank you, I'll take a pin file to the screws tomorow... And post the result. But thank you for the suggestion, I did not think of that. I'll have to do it in a week or so because it's a little way to a 'proper' gunsmith for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Possibly M4 cheese head. Do you have a Dremel to enlarge the slot? Any way of measuring them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) What gun are they from measure the thread size etc as well it may help I've a box full of old pins that might be useful one day. Edited June 3, 2015 by welshwarrior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby199 Posted June 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Thank you both, Spandit and welshworrior. I do have a dremmel, but I think I'll try the pin fial first, because I'll have more controll. And when I sanded the faces off the screws this evening to get the burrs off they seemed very soft! I do have a pair of electronic calipers at but not with me for a cupple of weeks (other house) I'll see how I get on tomorow, and post the result. It may well help opening them up, because the slots where far too thin for a normal screwdriver anyway. James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Funny I am not getting these pictures ,ah well. Right, What I do is:: I Weld the Screw back up, turn if I have to,, then cut the slot to get them in-line. Then case harden them to blue ,Black.. You wouldn`t even know I have been there.lol. Sometimes some figuring of course to make them blend in: Job Done.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 If they are a plain metric screw thread, then I would see if there is an engineer’s supplier or even a local ironmongers around that you could source them from. If you can find a source they would be cheap but you might have to buy a box 50 > 100 unless they have a broken box or sell them singularly from. Failing that weld head and reform head and re cut slot then blue or black them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby199 Posted June 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Thank you I had not thaught of welding, and blueing is not a problem... I'll let you chaps know. Many thanks as allways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) Refinish the heads polish them up with various grades of wet and dry heat them up to cherry red and dab on to a Whitney wool blanket ( the old scratchy ones you had on the bed when you were a kid ) no matter how many times a Whitney wool blanket is washed the natural oils remain in it ,it's these that blacken the screw head . cool down in water ,dip it in vasiline, burn this off with the blow lamp job done nice deep black screw head . Deershooter Edited June 3, 2015 by deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby199 Posted June 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 Here is my lovely re-finished forend. And the screws cleaned up nicely with a pin fial and re blued nicely. (They also fit a sensible size screwdriver now!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbaz Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 That's a grand job Bobby Gun screws are made to be turned by a specific tool called a turnscrew (A screwdriver in reality!!), The profile of the slot is different to normal slotted screws so ordinary screwdrivers usually chew them up if they're not reprofiled John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Heron Posted August 2, 2015 Report Share Posted August 2, 2015 Need replacing the screws have been mauled also they are not square to the woodwork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted August 2, 2015 Report Share Posted August 2, 2015 Half thread slot cheese head screws. (Of whatever size) But probably best to get the genuine parts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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