sjnshooter Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 If I practice dry firing my new rifle to get used to trigger pull and I going to harm the gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruity Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 (edited) What rifle ... Spring,pcp,rf,cf ? Why not just put some targets up Edited June 14, 2015 by fruity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Hi SJN You haven't mentioned what type of rifle ... I have only knowledge of Air Rifles , I would limit dry firing to a minimum with Air , but its OK to dry fire with a PCP , but not with a Springer or Gas Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjnshooter Posted June 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Tikka t3 .243 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1066 Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Well I don't think it will do any harm directly. Using good snap-caps would be the way to go. Without anything to cushion the firing pin it does come to a jarring stop, and whilst dry firing now and a gain, for example before putting your shotgun away in the cabinet, is not a problem, practicing for half an hour a day might cause problems. http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/general-gunsmith-tools/cartridge-dummies/243-2-caps-per-pak-sku055816243-247-1179.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cumbrian Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 You could use a spent case to cushion the shock each time. That's what I do when dry firing my .22 target rifle (rimfire), though for that I can rotate the case so that a new area of brass is presented to the firing pin each time. Not so easy for a centrefire but I would imagine that you could use each case one or two times at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 I will never agree to dry firing any rifle or shotgun without something for the pin to strike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 If I practice dry firing my new rifle to get used to trigger pull and I going to harm the gun Yes. dont do it. Just go out and use the thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happypig Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Just do it. I think of the many thousand of dry firings made with military rifles during training.... Their components were not extra special.... Made by the cheapest bidder. If it breaks get it fixed! I would caution against loading an empty case as you may become conditioned to loading brass..... Is there a chance you could mix things up?!!!! Bad accident waiting to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 If you use a spent case, you could reform the primer by putting the case head down on a hard surface, and, using a suitable tool, insert it through the case and tap the primer back into shape. I used to do this when making dummy rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Russell Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Just do it. I think of the many thousand of dry firings made with military rifles during training.... Their components were not extra special.... Made by the cheapest bidder. . Very true. Function test always dry fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem223 Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 I wouldn't lose any sleep over dry firing a centre fire rifle, you wont do any harm, and I wouldn't waste your time trying to locate a 243 snap cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 You say that and I thought the same when I was young but I think it was the second time I heard the end of a firing pin tinkle its way down a barrel that I started to question the logic! Also not being in the army and having no aspirations of being in the army means I have no vast amount of spare parts on hand! Then there is the few rare occasions I have accidentally left a gun loaded but fortunately and deliberately making a conscious decision to not pull the trigger willy nilly avoided accidental discharge! Your milage may vary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 You say that and I thought the same when I was young but I think it was the second time I heard the end of a firing pin tinkle its way down a barrel that I started to question the logic! Never heard of that before - You must have been very unlucky. Also not being in the army and having no aspirations of being in the army means I have no vast amount of spare parts on hand! In fourteen years of 'easing springs' on my .303 never heard a firing pin tinkling down a barrel - and there were several hundred squaddies abusing their weapons at the same time... Then there is the few rare occasions I have accidentally left a gun loaded but fortunately and deliberately making a conscious decision to not pull the trigger willy nilly avoided accidental discharge! Actuating the bolt would let you know if there was a loaded weapon in your hands. Like live firing you check it first. Your milage may vary. ?? I have dry fired my rifles all my life - and that's a fair old time. Gets confused with dry firing a shotgun but that's a totally different scenario. Practice away lad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 I tried to dry fire a rifle I was looking at in a shop. They would not let me test the trigger only cycle the bolt. That was crazy. I voted with my feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 I have dry fired my rifles all my life - and that's a fair old time. Gets confused with dry firing a shotgun but that's a totally different scenario. Practice away lad. No problem, free world n all that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Avoid dry firing shotguns with out snap caps. Never dry fire a rim fire Dry a CF if you need to. My view for what little it's worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) Never dry fire a rim fire both my CZ rimfires have reference in the manual that dry firing is fine, it says to dry fire as part of the safety routine. I have dry fired them many many times and yet to have any ill effect. Why do you say otherwise? Edited June 16, 2015 by thepasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 both my CZ rimfires have reference in the manual that dry firing is fine, it says to dry fire as part of the safety routine. I have dry fired them many many times and yet to have any ill effect. Why do you say otherwise? The pin slaps into the face of the breech unlike a CF where it goes in line with the barrel - after a while the RF firing pin piens (spelling?) and can also cut a notch in the breech face Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 The pin slaps into the face of the breech unlike a CF where it goes in line with the barrel - after a while the RF firing pin piens (spelling?) and can also cut a notch in the breech face Exactly that reason. With your CZ or Brno don't full rotate the bolt on closing go about 3/4 of the way down you can then pull the trigger with no issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 We were always taught to dry fire rifles in the Cadets to minimise recoil flinch and likewise with handguns. As an aside you don't need to dry fire your rf or cf rifle before putting away, if you squeeze the trigger while closing the bolt it slowly eases the pin into the fired position with no 'snap'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Not all rim fires strike the breech face. Cz and others have an internal stop. However some are made poorly and will over travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 handy to know, thanks UD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 This is the huge internal stop of a cz bolt. Here I am stoning it for a little more travel after some misfiring ammo. It still does not contact the breech. Measuring before and after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Slightly off topic, whilst having a look at a Blaser F3 at the Midland fair last year the sales guy positively encouraged me to dry fire the gun to test the trigger pulls. I am guessing that due to the unique trigger mechanism in the Blaser that it has no ill effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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