Sprackles Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/norfolk_grandad_88_is_jailed_after_124_year_old_loaded_shotgun_found_in_his_car_1_4175922 5 year mandatory sentence it says, reduced to 2 because of his age....thought that was just for prohibited weapons such as handguns etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Another major threat to society off the streets and they will now be able to stop his pension and any other benefits he may be entitled to. Just deserts for the poor tormented old sod! Lucky for him that the judge was lenient, he could have given him the death penalty by securing him a place in a state run residential home for the elderly!! Or death by inches on the NHS “Pathway”!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djrwood Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) Another major threat to society off the streets and they will now be able to stop his pension and any other benefits he may be entitled to. Just deserts for the poor tormented old sod! Lucky for him that the judge was lenient, he could have given him the death penalty by securing him a place in a state run residential home for the elderly!! Or death by inches on the NHS “Pathway”!! Think you're correct with this statement although i am sure it was said with sarcasm. A confused older gent driving round with a loaded shotgun, without any sort of reason to explain why he had it, i think he was a danger to society. The article seems to reiterate this by going in to detail about the trauma he has suffered at the hands of youth in the area, almost incinuating that the gun was for protection. I am sure this is just journalistic exageration though and dont think for one minute he was planning on shooting the youths. I personally think locking the poor old sod up at the age of 88 is shameful and a more responsible thing to do would be to take away his guns and license. Why make an 88year old spend potentially his last living days behind bars is dispicable. That being said, if this article was about an 18 year, the chances are most responses would be saying 2 years isnt long enough Edited July 31, 2015 by djrwood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Sorry but regardless of the torment he has alleged you cannot justify having a loaded gun in your car, even if he wasn't planning on using it what if he'd had an accident and it was thrown from the vehicle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 his age does make it a shame but we cant use his age to give leway, he was caught with a loaded shotgun in his car and had to face prosecution as any of us would... he got away lightly if he should have had five years but he got what he deserved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Sorry but regardless of the torment he has alleged you cannot justify having a loaded gun in your car, even if he wasn't planning on using it what if he'd had an accident and it was thrown from the vehicle? Christ, I hadn’t thought of that, he should have got another ten years!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Think you're correct with this statement although i am sure it was said with sarcasm. A confused older gent driving round with a loaded shotgun, without any sort of reason to explain why he had it, i think he was a danger to society. The article seems to reiterate this by going in to detail about the trauma he has suffered at the hands of youth in the area, almost incinuating that the gun was for protection. I am sure this is just journalistic exageration though and dont think for one minute he was planning on shooting the youths. I personally think locking the poor old sod up at the age of 88 is shameful and a more responsible thing to do would be to take away his guns and license. Why make an 88year old spend potentially his last living days behind bars is dispicable. That being said, if this article was about an 18 year, the chances are most responses would be saying 2 years isnt long enough ‘Total Sarcasm’ “Confused 88 year old” what an easy mark for ‘British Justice’! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Sorry, but he was driving around with a loaded shotgun in the back of his car. Are you really saying his age (and 'confused' mental state) means that he should be given a small smack on the wrist ? Would you be saying the same if it was a 30 yr old ? If he's being tormented by local yobs, what the hell happens if one of them happens to see the gun left in the car, and breaks in to get it ? Is he really saying that he thinks it is acceptable to carry (and, by extension, use) a shotgun on those people ? According to the report, his other guns were not secured in the house either, when the police went there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 And there's me thinking that prosecutions were brought in the public interest. Sounds like the poor old chap needs some form of support rather than a prison sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Sorry, but he was driving around with a loaded shotgun in the back of his car. Are you really saying his age (and 'confused' mental state) means that he should be given a small smack on the wrist ? Would you be saying the same if it was a 30 yr old ? If he's being tormented by local yobs, what the hell happens if one of them happens to see the gun left in the car, and breaks in to get it ? Is he really saying that he thinks it is acceptable to carry (and, by extension, use) a shotgun on those people ? According to the report, his other guns were not secured in the house either, when the police went there. He was 88 and confused, this can happen at any age but is recognised as being more prevalent in those of advanced years and although not an excuse in this group it is acknowledged as a progressive medical condition and therefore should be taken into consideration when administering punishment. *This fact might demonstrate my point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marki Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 I'm always pleased to see that the law is balanced. Makes be proud to be British. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-30396520 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 I'm always pleased to see that the law is balanced. Makes be proud to be British. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-30396520 And you don’t need to be 88 to be confused by it, ask Jeffrey! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 maybe the old man was off to meet and greet the rapist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 maybe the old man was off to meet and greet the rapist Now that would confuse one issue, but offer sweet resolution to another! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 I'm always pleased to see that the law is balanced. Makes be proud to be British. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-30396520 Now there's a 'good reason' to carry a loaded shotgun in your car. You're right, we don't appear to have our priorities in order at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzy518 Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Whilst I agree that this old boy has committed offences and there is no excuse for them, surely it is not in the public interest to jail an 88 year old of previous good character. Surely it would have sufficed to suspend the sentence. He would automatically be a prohibited person within the firearms act with little likelihood of him ever owning another gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 it is in the public interest as its as A it shows the law is working.. break it and go to jail and B its a deterent for others, if this old guy can go down anyone can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 it is in the public interest as its as A it shows the law is working.. break it and go to jail and B its a deterent for others, if this old guy can go down anyone can Whilst I wish to live in a law abiding country and agree there is never an excuse for breaking the law, I also wish to live in and place even greater value on living a caring society. If we are to use 88 year olds to set an example and act as a deterent to others than I'm afraid our judicial system has lost it's way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose man Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Another major threat to society off the streets and they will now be able to stop his pension and any other benefits he may be entitled to. Just deserts for the poor tormented old sod! Lucky for him that the judge was lenient, he could have given him the death penalty by securing him a place in a state run residential home for the elderly!! Or death by inches on the NHS “Pathway”!! Spot on mate ...British justice at its best .....NOT ...Could have been worse if some of the PW members had been on the bench , no getting of with a two stretch with them it would seem .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingo15 Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Whilst i can see both sides of the coin, Say he had seen or been tormented by the youths when he got back from his trip out and got in such a state he did go for the gun and it did go off. But yes when you see articles like that one about the child rapist then it does put a perspective on our system. If had got a suspended sentence would some smart **** solicitor be able to use that case in the future to get some one off who perhaps didn't deserve a suspended sentence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88b Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Whilst I agree that this old boy has committed offences and there is no excuse for them, surely it is not in the public interest to jail an 88 year old of previous good character. Surely it would have sufficed to suspend the sentence. He would automatically be a prohibited person within the firearms act with little likelihood of him ever owning another gun. Every case is different but I'd agree with that. Plus it would save the tax payer a fortune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Good chance the poor old fellah wont be walking out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Believe it or not the judge will have a fair bit more to go on than a 600 word article from a regional paper. I wouldn't be so convinced there is anything of concern here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 He's lost his guns and will probably never get them back. If ever there was a good reason for applying a suspended sentence this is it. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Shameful situation with useless British justice making an *** of itself once again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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