Keith RW Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Good Morning All Just had a load of household and car parts dumped on a game crop access and wondered if anyone has ever managed to bring a prosecution against fly tippers that have been identified from such contents. I presume with it not being on council land the authorities would not be interested, is there another route other than by land owner and private prosecution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) Definitely report it to the council and the police. Even if its just to get it logged. Always report, always complain. You don't know there may be toxic stuff in there. Councils charging the public to use tip means there will be more of this. Its still an environmental heath issue even if its on private land. Edited September 5, 2015 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith RW Posted September 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 The Vehicle is registered as SORN so theoretically still owned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liamey Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Pity the idiots that fly tip when caught can't be forced to be made to eat it until it's all cleared up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Bu Le Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) Definitely report it to the council and the police. Even if its just to get it logged. Always report, always complain. You don't know there may be toxic stuff in there. Councils charging the public to use tip means there will be more of this. Its still an environmental heath issue even if its on private land. Its also illegal private land or not, report it. Not had any experience of fly tippers but have seen a couple of documentaries where councils successfully took the tippers to court. They did have cctv evidence. Edit = contact the environment department of your council, see what they say. Edited September 5, 2015 by Sha Bu Le Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith RW Posted September 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Just reported to council via online facility who with a bit of luck will chase up under relevant environmental act, with vehicle being on SORN it still belongs to someone .... who as far as I am concerned is the registered keeper and therefor responsible, If vehicle has been sold on then then both previous and present keeper are out of order as having not notified DVLA of change of ownership or of it being scapped off, hopefully council will work with law enforcement and prosecute from that direction also ..... my bit done..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darno Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 We had some tipped in a carpark, and the muppet that tipped it left stuff with his details like name and address, Not sure if he had to move it all, or pay to have it removed, but we didn't have to do it:-) That was reporting it to the police and council. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 I've caught flytippers twice now.Last time i whipped my phone out and video taped him-he loved the attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
did i miss Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 And now its gona cost you to to dispose of it because its on privae land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bry-M Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 since when did the council charge people for using the tip, or recycling centres as i think they are now known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 since when did the council charge people for using the tip, or recycling centres as i think they are now known. When our caravan dwelling travelling chums knock on your door and offer to take away any rubbish you might have,they are doing it for profit so is classed as commercial waste and they have to pay to get rid of it. The photo however demonstates what really happens... People are lazy and cant be bothered to drive to the tip or go too late. My local tip closes at 4.00pm in winter and is common to see flytipping on the road leading upto it because some have gotten there too late and dont want to drive home again fully loaded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 The person to whom the waste belonged will get nicked if they can't identify the fly tipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 It's rife at the minute! It's everywhere around me! No idea why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 Our local tip wants to charge me everytime I go in there even though its clearly only my garden waste and its only going on the composting heap. The reason is because I use my van, even though its clearly not trade waste they want to charge me £20 to come in. What do I do? Im not putting all those branches in my car. I know! next time I will fly tip it, that will save me £20. Problem solved (for me) My mum works as a volunteer in a charity shop. They regularly come in of a morning to find their bin out the back filled with somebody else's rubbish. And they get charged to have their bins emptied by the council. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darno Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 You can get a free permit for your van! It allows I think 6 trips a year! I have one. Not sure if all councils have the same rules though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 I get 12 a year so i can use my trailer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 You can get a free permit for your van! It allows I think 6 trips a year! I have one. Not sure if all councils have the same rules though. Not here you can't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velocette Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 The person to whom the waste belonged will get nicked if they can't identify the fly tipper That's not quite how it works. The tipper has to be caught in the act for a prosecution,by camera or statement giving witness. The owner of the rubbish simply has to say that they paid someone to legally tip it for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 That's not quite how it works. The tipper has to be caught in the act for a prosecution,by camera or statement giving witness. The owner of the rubbish simply has to say that they paid someone to legally tip it for them. Not round here, if you can't produce a receipt from a licensed waste carrier you're done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longchalk Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 Not round here, if you can't produce a receipt from a licensed waste carrier you're done. Yup. Any waste is still your responsibility unless you can produce a 'waste transfer note' stating the name of the person/firm you paid to dispose of it, their waste carriers licence number, details of what type of waste it was, and where it was being taken for disposal. A scribbled recipient on a bit of letterhead won't cut it.... Something to remember when hiring skips! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_seagrave Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Yup. Any waste is still your responsibility unless you can produce a 'waste transfer note' stating the name of the person/firm you paid to dispose of it, their waste carriers licence number, details of what type of waste it was, and where it was being taken for disposal. A scribbled recipient on a bit of letterhead won't cut it.... Something to remember when hiring skips! Good knowledge. Audit-trail-tacular. LS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 We get fly tippers once a week down are lane , phone council they take about two days to come out stick a yellow label on the rubbish , and some one comes about a week later to move it if we are lucky, Daughter even works for the council and says there not interested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobba Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 One access to one of my permissions was recently obstructed by fly tipping. Knowing the unhelpful in-action he would get from the local Council my permission neatly relocated it, without causing any obstruction, adjacent to the minor road which led to his lane. He then informed the Council of fly tipping. Unethical? Most probably. But until the well paid, pension protected, town hall jobsworths change their attitude to those who are adversely affected by fly tipping then similar reactions are likely to continue around the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longchalk Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Good knowledge. Audit-trail-tacular. LS Ha ha, yes. Being audited tomorrow for ISO9001, ISO14001 & OHAS18001... He always wants to see the transfer notes for any skip we've had in the last year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem223 Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 One factor leading to an increase in fly tipping is as result of EU directives on waste disposal. Councils are restricted under threat of legal action in the volume of waste they can dispose of in landfill. To limit the amount of waste that goes into landfill they have put up prices for trade waste. Unscrupulous people (no names, no pack drill) get shot of their waste in this manner to avoid the charges. I am no fan of landfill, but this doesn't seem to have been thought through too well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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