Zapp Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 I'm talking about ISIS' declared intent to draw western powers into a battle at Dabiq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imissalot Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Sad things happen all over the world now ,but people have forgotten that Irish Americans raised millions of pounds to fund thei ira in the70s to bomb the UK and to kill and main Irish citercins may be we will see peace but believes in religion has got a lot to answer to my thoughts go out to everyoneI haven't Been there had the hassle on a two year posting ,when it was bad , let's stick together won't win the battle to many idiots about and to many do goodies I'm afraid , just let's hope the rest of the world stand by us when it happens over here ,cause it will keep eyes open and stay safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 My wife also reminded me of my regular travels to London during the troubles and a couple of occasions when there were bombs - one at Coventry Garden - when I was there and with no mobile phones she did not know if I was safe until I walked in the door. Again looking back was there world-wide support for the UK?? I realise this has an international dimension but we were on our own with IRA being funded from abroad and supplied with weapons by any terrorist group they could approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 what about the lives of soldiers and volunteers lost fighting them (can't be fun being shot at with Western supplied arms) . Nothing new. The Dorset Yeomanry were shelled at Gallipoli with munitions that had 'Made in Birmingham' stamped on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 My wife also reminded me of my regular travels to London during the troubles and a couple of occasions when there were bombs - one at Coventry Garden - when I was there and with no mobile phones she did not know if I was safe until I walked in the door. Again looking back was there world-wide support for the UK?? I realise this has an international dimension but we were on our own with IRA being funded from abroad and supplied with weapons by any terrorist group they could approach. Not just funded from abroad, I remember visiting London to watch Newcastle play QPR and a few of the local bars had collections going for republican causes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Not just funded from abroad, I remember visiting London to watch Newcastle play QPR and a few of the local bars had collections going for republican causes. This time we will also be funding the terrorists ourselves, through the abused benefit system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 This time we will also be funding the terrorists ourselves, through the abused benefit system. Giro for Jihad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Don't forget though, that given that they aim to trigger the end of the works by drawing the superpowers into fighting in Syria, that's precisely what they want. They believe they are the prophesied agents of apocalypse, and are doing everything they can to trigger the series of events that will apparently lead to the end, key to which is the worlds major powers fighting a war in northern Syria. Do you have a source for this? They seem more keen on setting up a caliphate than bringing the end of says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 They have talked about it in their magazine, which is also called Dabiq, and in any number of their other publications and videos. This is worth a read too and touches on the theological and scripture-based (or at least their interpretations of them) motivations: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Nothing new here, when they are fightimg inline with our interests they are rebels/freedom fighters when that doesn't work and they start thinking for themselves they are terrorists. The only people i am mad at (besides the killers) are our own governments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 When the Russian airliner was bombed a the other week some people (on here) were going on about how they would never take their families to ...certain countries ... on holiday, due to the perceived risk. I pointed out a list of 'normal' countries and cities that had been subjected to attacks within the last 15 years, and was accused of being irrelevant. In fact, somebody posted that 'people with Kalashnikovs' had never been seen walking down the streets in those places (they'd obviously forgotten the Charlie Hebdo attack in Paris earlier this year, short or selective memory I guess), I pointed out that their avoidance appeared more based on media hype than any REAL level of risk. The words 'I told you so', are, sadly, apt and accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 I have always had an urge to see in the new year in Trafalgar Square, but not any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 They have talked about it in their magazine, which is also called Dabiq, and in any number of their other publications and videos. This is worth a read too and touches on the theological and scripture-based (or at least their interpretations of them) motivations: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/ I have watched the odd modern video of Christian pastors in America who along with plenty of Jews believe we're witnessing the end of days (in their favour). The doctrine goes along the lines that it is predicted in the good books that we will witness mass movements of people and Syrian conflict is believed to be implicated in the closing stages of a massive worldwide calamity that sends beams of light earthwards to lift the chosen good guys and carry them off to heaven. In other words it is by no means just some ME fanatics who believe these things. FB is absolutely littered with paid Zionist trolls who post gleefully about the deaths of billions to come and how they will be victorious and saved. I asked one such lovely person a few questions such as whether they were unaware that all recent ME wars and conflicts including Syria were man made in nature, one could argue (engineered) to fulfil an absurd prophecy , I also asked why their God was so inclined as to cause such deaths and suffering to order from his own predictions, why not just gift them the earth 3000 years ago and save on all the killings of innocent Christians/Muslims/Hindus/etc, I asked whether they could not see that was closer to what Evil would do than a pious God ?! The answer was brief, they were happy with my summation. In other words they couldn't care enough to look for the ludicrous flaws and preposterous conceit in it all, they just accepted that their God was good to them and evil to all others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 The answer was brief, they were happy with my summation. In other words they couldn't care enough to look for the ludicrous flaws and preposterous conceit in it all, they just accepted that their God was good to them and evil to all others. The unwavering ability of man to only see good in what benefits himself. Fundamentally we are a most selfish animal which is why there has always been conflict and always will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Zapps link makes for most interesting reading and help explain quite a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Well, here's a reaction of sorts, straight after they confirmed that the airliner was brought down by a bomb: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/russia-launches-cruise-missiles-at-isis-stronghold-of-raqqa-in-syria-a6737631.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Social media has given the opertunity to lead the masses around like bulls with rings through their noses like never before, suddenly every uninterested illiterate moron has an opinion and a cause to follow but still lacks the intelligence and interest to look further than the end their nose to see if there is any truth in what they are preaching, I would encourage anyone buying into this current media led fiasco to research how many have been murdered in Syria and what their chosen belief system was before passing judgement as to who, why and what is really going on. Propaganda always has been and always will be an exremley powerful motivator and that seems to be the main use for social media Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Social media has given the opertunity to lead the masses around like bulls with rings through their noses like never before, suddenly every uninterested illiterate moron has an opinion and a cause to follow but still lacks the intelligence and interest to look further than the end their nose to see if there is any truth in what they are preaching, I would encourage anyone buying into this current media led fiasco to research how many have been murdered in Syria and what their chosen belief system was before passing judgement as to who, why and what is really going on. Propaganda always has been and always will be an exremley powerful motivator and that seems to be the main use for social media And minorities ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) To confront terrorists and their tactics successfully you need determined leaders with vision and a set of nuts and not just a bunch of ####s with a big cheque book and a telescope! Edited November 17, 2015 by STOTTO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 On the J Vine show ( I know, I know! ) after Corbyn has stated his opposition to shoot to kill policies in the face of a terrorist attack, there have been quite a few people adding their support, with some suggesting that a shoot to wound policy would be preferable, with one woman suggesting if there's a terrorist stood there with an AK47 he could be shot in the legs and therefore brought to trial. I think we may need help. I get the impression some folk aren't too familiar with the theory behind suicide bombing nor the theory of stopping one before he/she detonates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted November 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 On the J Vine show ( I know, I know! ) after Corbyn has stated his opposition to shoot to kill policies in the face of a terrorist attack, there have been quite a few people adding their support, with some suggesting that a shoot to wound policy would be preferable, with one woman suggesting if there's a terrorist stood there with an AK47 he could be shot in the legs and therefore brought to trial. I think we may need help. I get the impression some folk aren't too familiar with the theory behind suicide bombing nor the theory of stopping one before he/she detonates. I heard that bit too Scully. Hollywood has a lot to answer for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 On the J Vine show ( I know, I know! ) after Corbyn has stated his opposition to shoot to kill policies in the face of a terrorist attack, there have been quite a few people adding their support, with some suggesting that a shoot to wound policy would be preferable, with one woman suggesting if there's a terrorist stood there with an AK47 he could be shot in the legs and therefore brought to trial. I think we may need help. I get the impression some folk aren't too familiar with the theory behind suicide bombing nor the theory of stopping one before he/she detonates. I prefer summary justice administered swiftly. If someone has a vest of explosives then I really don't have any desire to see them come to trial, I am quite content that their intention was nefarious and should they be shuffled off their mortal coil there and then that will suit me fine. Saves a few quid in the expense of a trial and then jail, so it is win win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted November 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 I prefer summary justice administered swiftly. If someone has a vest of explosives then I really don't have any desire to see them come to trial, I am quite content that their intention was nefarious and should they be shuffled off their mortal coil there and then that will suit me fine. Saves a few quid in the expense of a trial and then jail, so it is win win. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 They want death anyway - don't wait to let them take a few hundred others with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 They have talked about it in their magazine, which is also called Dabiq, and in any number of their other publications and videos. This is worth a read too and touches on the theological and scripture-based (or at least their interpretations of them) motivations: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/ Fascinating read. Thanks for posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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