Lead - the invisible killer

[Vince Green]

Isn't there a complaints procedure for the BBC? Who do we complain to?

[David BASC]

Yes, as far as I know its gone to the BBC too as part of the national press

 

Yes there is a complaints procedure - its on the BBC web site here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/

[Marksman1997]

Plain and simple they are trying to cut down on the amount of guns we have.

And eventually cut down on the amount of gun owners.

[Vince Green]

Isn't that the route we should be going down? Its unsubstantiated scare mongering in persuit of a politically motivated agenda. Commonly known as bias. A few thousand formal complaints about impartiality will at least document the fact that others disagree.

[JDog]

BASC should be orchestrating a campaign of letter writing and emailing about this biased article. Registering their disappointment about the article is not enough.

[Guest stevo]

BASC should be orchestrating a campaign of letter writing and emailing about this biased article. Registering their disappointment about the article is not enough.

Also highlighting the points about how the meetings leading upto date have been onesided , factless ,and biased . And ended up with all the shooting reps walking out and ending further talks ! Edited November 26, 2015 by stevo

[rodp]

Totally agree with the above posts, BASC shouldn't be defending us, they should be on the offensive now. If the BBC don't make it clear in a prime time broadcast that they gave out false info then start on them, report them, get MP's involved. After that have a go at other media lies, don't keep defending the sport, do something proactive about it

 

Got to admit I get a bit brassed off with this constant "Well, we've sent them a memo but we don't know what they'll do about it". We need to be one step in front, not keep making excuses.

[rodp]

Plain and simple they are trying to cut down on the amount of guns we have.

And eventually cut down on the amount of gun owners.

Yep, with this and the Scottish air rifle farce makes you wonder why? All this costs money, it's all in vain (air rifles, lead ban, semi auto's) yet they're pressing on. Are they frightened legal guns will one day be used illegally against something we know nothing about yet ? Or have I read too deeply into it all?

[Scully]

Why do BASC have to do it? If anyone feels strongly enough about it surely they're capable of sending off an email?

BASC orchestrated a letter writing campaign following the shootings in Cumbria and less than 2% of UK shooters responded, and that was in response to a matter which had the potential to end shooting in this country.

If you care, write to your MP regarding the deliberately misleading article and the BBC re' the same, and about Debra Payne and the WWT, about Swift and the entire matter. Demand replies and if you don't get them write to your local press and tell them what is going on.

Or simply don't bother; it's much easier.

[malkiserow]

Better still, post a draft of it on PW so we can all do it using the draft as a starter.........

[andrewluke]

this is now on youtube

[Guest stevo]

Fantastic !

 

I wish our shooting orgs where as dedicated as the oppisition .

[Guest stevo]

Why do BASC have to do it? If anyone feels strongly enough about it surely they're capable of sending off an email?

BASC orchestrated a letter writing campaign following the shootings in Cumbria and less than 2% of UK shooters responded, and that was in response to a matter which had the potential to end shooting in this country.

If you care, write to your MP regarding the deliberately misleading article and the BBC re' the same, and about Debra Payne and the WWT, about Swift and the entire matter. Demand replies and if you don't get them write to your local press and tell them what is going on.

Or simply don't bother; it's much easier.

I fired off three snotty emails at 10 am this morning . Nothing back as yet . As soon or .... If i hear back will post them up on here .

[Tim Kelly]

Awesome.

 

Plenty of lead water mains in London which presumably pose much more risk to humans, no rush to replace them by any agency if they are so concerned. Too easy to make up stories about bird deaths and justify the lack of bodies by saying the foxes eat them all. where are the poisoned fox bodies? I simply don't believe it is a big issue. I'm sure there are some deaths, but things die in all sorts of ways. Traffic and cats are infinitely bigger killers. Asking shooters to either put themselves at risk using guns not suitable for steel shot or insisting they buy new guns is unacceptable.

 

I think we're going to lose, but not based on any good science, just simple assumption and bad science. Other countries capitulating doesn't help matters. Very poorly managed by all shooting organisations world wide.

Edited November 26, 2015 by Tim Kelly

[The Mighty Prawn]

Yep, with this and the Scottish air rifle farce makes you wonder why? All this costs money, it's all in vain (air rifles, lead ban, semi auto's) yet they're pressing on. Are they frightened legal guns will one day be used illegally against something we know nothing about yet ? Or have I read too deeply into it all?

It's because they can't do anything about the illegal guns but need something to placate the masses so announcing new levels of gun control, which they absolutely know will make no difference to gun crime, shuts up the public for a while

[shaun4860]

I have merged the 3 topics currently running together in case anyone wonders where they all went

 

[Scully]

this is now on youtube

 

It will be interesting to view the video our shooting organisations upload to youtube in response to this.

[Salopian]

I have made an official complaint to the BBC, it was time consuming to fill in the paperwork , but we must all now complain and ask for a fair hearing.

DO IT NOW.

[Salopian]

For many years now I have opposed the implementation of a Lead shot ban , because at the moment there is nothing that is as efficient.

I find the damage that John Swift has done to my sport frankly offensive and his conduct has been little short of treacherous whilst being paid by myself and fellow members of BASC.

I contributed generously to the building of an expensive multimedia centre at Marford Mill .

I now wish that centre to be fully utilised to engage in a meaningful debate with the BBC and Chris Packham and for us the Shooting Community to be on the offensive against such scurrilous lies and rumours publicised constantly by BBC.

Could I ask all Sportsmen to complain in writing and asking for a reply to your complaint from the BBC.

Could I also ask all BASC members to contact the BASC and ask for them to demand at the earliest opportunity a full apology from the BBC for not reporting factually.

[GingerCat]

Windows kill the most birds apparently, considerably more than cats and cars, the latter kills 60m each year in the us alone.wind turbines kill some 30k alone in the us . The figure for window strikes is between 97 and 976 million each year in the us alone.

 

Ban windows and cars perhaps?

 

http://www.sibleyguides.com/conservation/causes-of-bird-mortality/

[rodp]

Why do BASC have to do it? If anyone feels strongly enough about it surely they're capable of sending off an email?

BASC orchestrated a letter writing campaign following the shootings in Cumbria and less than 2% of UK shooters responded, and that was in response to a matter which had the potential to end shooting in this country.

If you care, write to your MP regarding the deliberately misleading article and the BBC re' the same, and about Debra Payne and the WWT, about Swift and the entire matter. Demand replies and if you don't get them write to your local press and tell them what is going on.

Or simply don't bother; it's much easier.

Two reasons, one is that surely part of my payment to BASC each year is for professional representation of all things shooting? And two, who do you think the beeb will listen to, me, Joe Bloggs who can go no further when they ignore me or BASC, a representative of thousands?

Everyone who's complained to the beeb will get a standard reply stating that in their opinion it was a fair and unbiased report, BASC on the other hand should carry a little more clout, especially if the use slightly underhand and devious tactics as the anti's / bbc are doing.

 

I still think BASC should now be on the offensive instead or just making excuses. They need to push, to be innovative, for heavens sake they've got enough staff and resources.

[BrowningB525]

No lead needed to kill lots of water fowl:

 

http://m.thescarboroughnews.co.uk/news/trending/what-can-be-done-to-stop-geese-flying-into-wall-1-4292343

[Scully]

Two reasons, one is that surely part of my payment to BASC each year is for professional representation of all things shooting? I quite agree. but I cant understand why anyone needs their respective organisation to tell them to email their MP, the Home Office or the BBC. Shouldn't they be doing it anyhow? They can of course email their organisations as well and ask what they're doing about it, but surely that doesn't prevent them writing too? I have a mate who constantly whinges about this that and the other shooting related matter, but when I suggest he writes to whomever, he always replies 'that's what I pay such and such for'. Leaving it to someone else is easy.

And two, who do you think the beeb will listen to, me, Joe Bloggs who can go no further when they ignore me or BASC, a representative of thousands? The BBC may take notice of an organisation such as BASC, but how much more notice would they take if they were bombarded by hundreds of thousands of emails over 72 hours from irate shooters from all organisations? It isn't going to happen of course, but if it did it would be impossible for them to ignore, whether they acted upon it or not.

Everyone who's complained to the beeb will get a standard reply stating that in their opinion it was a fair and unbiased report, True, so you email again, and then again , and then again. Make a nuisance of yourself; become a real pain in the aris. BASC on the other hand should carry a little more clout, especially if the use slightly underhand and devious tactics as the anti's / bbc are doing.

 

I still think BASC should now be on the offensive instead or just making excuses.As do I, but not just BASC. They need to push, to be innovative, for heavens sake they've got enough staff and resources.Yes, I know they have; I contributed towards Swifts salary and the media centre for quite a few years, but no longer do. Based on their own figures of membership and the highest rates of membership fees they receive annually just over £10.000.000. But that's just one organisation. You would think we could have quite a significant media rebuttal campaign if all our organisations contributed towards it, but here we are yet again, playing catch up against a very effective smear campaign!

Edited November 26, 2015 by Scully

[old'un]

Like it or not there WILL be a ban on lead shot within the next 5 years, if you've got a nice old English gun, sell it sooner than later, unless you can afford bismuth at £25 a box.

[rodp]

Two reasons, one is that surely part of my payment to BASC each year is for professional representation of all things shooting? I quite agree. but I cant understand why anyone needs their respective organisation to tell them to email their MP, the Home Office or the BBC. Shouldn't they be doing it anyhow? They can of course email their organisations as well and ask what they're doing about it, but surely that doesn't prevent them writing too? I have a mate who constantly whinges about this that and the other shooting related matter, but when I suggest he writes to whomever, he always replies 'that's what I pay such and such for'. Leaving it to someone else is easy. It's not the leaving it to someone else scenario, it's the fact that both the BBC and MP's will just get office staff to send a standard reply, over and over again. Been there, done that.

And two, who do you think the beeb will listen to, me, Joe Bloggs who can go no further when they ignore me or BASC, a representative of thousands? The BBC may take notice of an organisation such as BASC, but how much more notice would they take if they were bombarded by hundreds of thousands of emails over 72 hours from irate shooters from all organisations? It isn't going to happen of course, but if it did it would be impossible for them to ignore, whether they acted upon it or not. There won't be hundreds of thousands, there'll be a handful (relatively) and the BBC will not care one jot. They ignore the Government so what difference will a few shooters make to someone above the law?

Everyone who's complained to the beeb will get a standard reply stating that in their opinion it was a fair and unbiased report, True, so you email again, and then again , and then again. Make a nuisance of yourself; become a real pain in the aris. BASC on the other hand should carry a little more clout, especially if the use slightly underhand and devious tactics as the anti's / bbc are doing.

 

I still think BASC should now be on the offensive instead or just making excuses.As do I, but not just BASC. They need to push, to be innovative, for heavens sake they've got enough staff and resources.Yes, I know they have; I contributed towards Swifts salary and the media centre for quite a few years, but no longer do. Based on their own figures of membership and the highest rates of membership fees they receive annually just over £10.000.000. But that's just one organisation. You would think we could have quite a significant media rebuttal campaign if all our organisations contributed towards it, but here we are yet again, playing catch up against a very effective smear campaign! Agreed, BASC should be approaching all other shooting associations and joining forces, but I doubt they will as they see them as competition. Unfortunately I don't think we have an association that cares more for it's members than they do for funds. They'll continue to make excuses and virtually apologise until they're blue in the face.

^^