Masterplan Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 All, I've had some real issues trying to remove barrel fouling the last few times I've been out. About 3-4 inches into the chambers and the fouling is very heavy and obvious the moment you hold the barells up to the light. I've been using napier bore solvent with a payne galway brush, but it took me over an hour to clean both barrels. Even using a cordless drill took me forever. Am I using the right tools for the job? Would a phosphor brush be better suited to heavy fouling? or any other tools/cleaners for that matter? I'm still fairly new to shotgun ownership, so apologies if its a daft question. Cheers Masterplan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B25Modelman Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) what and how many cartridges fired to cause this. In 45+ years shooting, plastic and fibre wads, sometimes 250 shot days (son and i) I have never met such fouling. I have always used a bronze brush and patches. Never used anything mechanical or electrical to assist, always elbow grease. Edited December 1, 2015 by B25Modelman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 what and how many cartridges fired to cause this. In 40+ years shooting using plastic and fibre wads, sometimes 250 shot days (son and i) I have never met such fouling. I also struggle with fouling around the forcing cones. I think it may be an issue with back bored guns and the brush not "biting" hard enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masterplan Posted December 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 I use a Beretta 690 and a mixture of Gamebore Black Gold or Lyalvale Supreme game. My brush at the moment is not brilliant, which is why I was asking. If I buy a new set, then I'll maybe try an alternative to see if that would make a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Some people get far too hung up on the subject of fouling within the barrel. Plastic will build up over time and should not present a problem as each subsequent round fired will remove a little and add a little. 20 odd years ago when shooting far more than I do these days, I used to soak my competition barrels in white spirit for a week. That got it all out, but I only did it once a year at the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IEH Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 If it's back-bored would a 10G brush be better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Have a look at this. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PHOSPHOR-BRONZE-SHOTGUN-CLEANING-BRUSH-LOOPED-12-bore-gauge-TURBO-TORNADO-/151877035992?hash=item235c93a7d8 webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Dare I say try a turkshead wire brush? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 wrap some '0000' grade steel wool around your brush head and give a liberal dose of solvent, it will take no more than a few minutes to remove the fouling then. works a treat and doesn't damaged the bores. my MK38 gets really dirty and a normal copper/bronze brush wont touch it. I too have been told that this is due to the back bored barrels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) Acetone/ nail varnish remover on a rag and soak and rub should lift it straight off. The other safe way is corks in muzzle ends and fill barrels with boiling water, this removes the plastic fouling. Edited December 1, 2015 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Have a look at this. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PHOSPHOR-BRONZE-SHOTGUN-CLEANING-BRUSH-LOOPED-12-bore-gauge-TURBO-TORNADO-/151877035992?hash=item235c93a7d8 webber Looks good, I've ordered one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Looks good, I've ordered one. Thanks. I'm sure that you won't be disappointed. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masterplan Posted December 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) Have a look at this. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PHOSPHOR-BRONZE-SHOTGUN-CLEANING-BRUSH-LOOPED-12-bore-gauge-TURBO-TORNADO-/151877035992?hash=item235c93a7d8 webber Also placed an order. I'm out at the weekend for possibly the last time this season so it will be getting a good scrub down and put back in its case. Will also try the wire wool as well Edited December 1, 2015 by Masterplan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Plastic fouling/leading in the barrel after the forcing cones is something I've not experienced to any extent in near 50 years of shotgun shooting.....until I started using a browning O/U a couple of years ago......back bored barrels being the cause of this has for me, the ring of truth about it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Are you sure it's not just the different angle of the forcing cone showing up as a darker area to the barrel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 For me, I reckon that the fouling is unburnt powder. It only appears to be on the forcing cones. I'll try some acetone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James1983 Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 I have this in my barrels also and been scrubbing like mad to clear it to no joy. Might try the acetone as suggested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 what and how many cartridges fired to cause this. In 45+ years shooting, plastic and fibre wads, sometimes 250 shot days (son and i) I have never met such fouling. I have always used a bronze brush and patches. Never used anything mechanical or electrical to assist, always elbow grease. +1 My experience also. Turks heads are good, but very aggressive. Not sure where you can get them nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 I used one of those Turks heads and it marked the barrel really bad be warned I would never never use one again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) I used one of those Turks heads and it marked the barrel really bad be warned I would never never use one again. They are very aggressive (I'm told). I have one that was my father's, and I have to say - I've never had to use it., but I'm told they will shift stubborn fouling. My guess is that the effectiveness and (potential) damage might depend on how hard the steel wire used is. I would use a lot of oil with it if I ever used it. Edited December 1, 2015 by JohnfromUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisdom Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) I thought they were a left over from the past and we're used for black powder.Was always told they were very aggressive and could scratch the barrels very badly.Thats the turks head.Phosphor bronze no problems at all Edited December 1, 2015 by wisdom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Are you sure it's not just the different angle of the forcing cone showing up as a darker area to the barrel? On mine, it's spots of what looks like unburnt powder stuck to the darker area of the forcing cone. It isn't pitting as I've removed it with a brush before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Dare I say try a turkshead wire brush? I've got and used one and had no problems of marking the steel at all although I only use it once in a while. Have you heard or know of Ed's Red? If not type it into your browser.the ingredients are a mix of white spirit, tqf auto transmission oil, paraffin, acetone and lanolin. There are lots of variations to the mix. It is really cheap to make and effective. When I clean my barrels I first rod a couple of bits of toilet paper through to take away any loose unburnt powder and then use the Ed's Red on a phosphor bronze brush fairly vigorously. I then rod through with the toilet paper. The paper comes out black for several times. I then use the Red again and then the paper. I do this several times. Even if you look up a set of barrels that look clean it is amazing how much black junk comes out of them when you use Ed's Red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 I've got and used one and had no problems of marking the steel at all although I only use it once in a while. Have you heard or know of Ed's Red? If not type it into your browser.the ingredients are a mix of white spirit, tqf auto transmission oil, paraffin, acetone and lanolin. There are lots of variations to the mix. It is really cheap to make and effective. When I clean my barrels I first rod a couple of bits of toilet paper through to take away any loose unburnt powder and then use the Ed's Red on a phosphor bronze brush fairly vigorously. I then rod through with the toilet paper. The paper comes out black for several times. I then use the Red again and then the paper. I do this several times. Even if you look up a set of barrels that look clean it is amazing how much black junk comes out of them when you use Ed's Red. I've just ordered some acetone from eBay to give this a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 They are very aggressive (I'm told). I have one that was my father's, and I have to say - I've never had to use it., but I'm told they will shift stubborn fouling. My guess is that the effectiveness and (potential) damage might depend on how hard the steel wire used is. I would use a lot of oil with it if I ever used it. I'm thinking that I have seen one made of hard plastic at some time in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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