d17 len Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 Would it not make sense to have one voice for field sports in this country as in America with the National Rifle Association, instead of all the splinter groups like BASC, CPSA,NGO, etc etc etc ,surely united we would be better represented and have a stronger voice like the NRA, or are there too many snouts in the different troughs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 Good luck with that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 If the people on here that shoot can't agree on much then there is no hope that shooting/ countyside organizations will ever agree on any thing and work as one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 The NRA have just successfully lobbied Congress to allow suspects on the terrorist watchlist to retain the right to purchase firearms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 A quick Google has shown there are a number of organizations in America. The NRA is just the most well known. Here's one http://www.americanactionshooting.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 Good luck with that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 UK gun owners are too divided so the chances of us having a single voice is remote to say the least! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 Only issue I see with is how it could come about. They enter talks to see how to do it. They arrange a vote for their members to see if they want to do it. They write papers on how it could work. They lobby to be in charge have an arguement return to step 1 five times. Agree to do it write a paper how of what they will now do in 2030 (current year) after the 2015 shake up. Realise they where so focused on lobbying to win the chair shoot was banned 10 years ago by a back door attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armourer103 Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 the NRA where dragged kicking and screaming to accept that shooters dont just want bolt acton single shot rifles, they activley agreed with ACPO at the time the bans where introduced, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armourer103 Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 oh, and so where CPSA with more than two shot shotguns! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 The NRA have just successfully lobbied Congress to allow suspects on the terrorist watchlist to retain the right to purchase firearms. The American NRA has the backing of all American shooters and because of the number of legitimate gun owners in America due to the 2nd (?) Amendment, has a massively powerful political lobby. Now compare the American NRA with the UK NRA, or any other UK shooting organisation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 The NRA have just successfully lobbied Congress to allow suspects on the terrorist watchlist to retain the right to purchase firearms. Wouldn't surprise me. Until someone actually breaks the law they are law abiding. I think things have moved on a tad since the internment of American / Japanese following pearl Harbour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 I would trust the NRA as far as I could throw them , they sold us out over handguns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 The British NRA simply haven't got a clue on so many levels. Run by doddering old codgers who are not really up to it. I have been a member for many years but despair at their lack of political and commercial savvy. If you wait for them to do anything you will wait for ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 If the people on here that shoot can't agree on much then there is no hope that shooting/ countyside organizations will ever agree on any thing and work as one the NRA where dragged kicking and screaming to accept that shooters dont just want bolt acton single shot rifles, they activley agreed with ACPO at the time the bans where introduced, I would trust the NRA as far as I could throw them , they sold us out over handguns The British NRA simply haven't got a clue on so many levels. Run by doddering old codgers who are not really up to it. I have been a member for many years but despair at their lack of political and commercial savvy. If you wait for them to do anything you will wait for ever. Agree with them all, and other posts as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 I'm not sure the person starting this thread has ever heard of the UK NRA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 I love shooting in all its various forms, but it people want to contemplate the NRA, then they need to understand it and its History, a really good read to get a grasp of this is : The Queen's Prize: The Story of the National Rifle Association.Author: Susie Cornfield Hardcover | Publisher: Pelham Books | Pub. Date:1987-07-06List Price: £ 14.95ISBN: 0720717515 | ISBN-13: 9780720717518 The NRA was formed for one purpose to encourage shooting and in particular Marksmanship to prepare for and to provide a deterrent against a French Invasion, The idea of the day was to have a rife in every wardrobe in the Land and for every man to be capable of hitting a dinner plate sized target at 200yds. This pre-dated a regular army and it was of strategic importance to maintain the country's security. This concept was regarded at so important as to be replicated in many countries the USA, Switzerland and Belgium to name a few? Whilst the USA may have expanded the remit and used this as a vehicle and umbrella organisation to champion all shooting sports, that has never been done by the UK NRA, although ostensibly a civilian organisation it is in real terms an instrument of the state used to establish and organise the nations defence many decades before regular forces and the deterrent of an atom bomb? Again there are significant cultural and legislative differences between the UK and USA and if you consider the issues which brought about American Independence, then they were basically fed up of taxes and laws from a ruler so far away and this directly let to the inclusion of the 2nd amendment in the American Constitution so that if everyone was so fed up of the government of the day or the government of the day failed to yield to the democratic process and wishes o the people, then they were capable of banding together as a militia to deal with and remove that government. Whilst the US NRA may provide a great example of what an organisation should be like, it comes from a completely different political point of view and disposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 I would trust the NRA as far as I could throw them , they sold us out over handguns Now that's a sure bet and so did BASC . I have never forgiven them for that . But I am still a member . Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 The shooting organisations do try hard to work together, either on specific projects on a day to day basis or under the umbrella of the British Shooting Sports Council on more strategic issues. Different organisations have their strengths and I guess their weaknesses too, but the more we can work together the better. Scully is spot on when he mentions the American Constitution, this is a very powerful string to the NRA's bow, something we have not got And finally, I cant let the last comment go unchallenged - to suggest BASC 'sold out pistol shooting' is totally false. If you care to look back it was only BASC that was prepared to stand up to the media and give both live and recorded interviews in the first 3 -4 days after the tragic murders which resulted in the legislation. It was BASC that managed, though intense lobbying at a time when an election was about the be contested, successfully to keep 22 pistols off the ban and helped ensure muzzle loaders were kept off the ban , until labour won and banned 22 too, simply because they said they would in their manifesto and had such a massive majority. No one sold out, it was a fight that was lost, not for the want of trying, to suggest in any way that BASC let pistols get banned in order to protect something else or because we did not try hard is wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 How I see it, funny how with the passage of time every organisation on the missing list remembers being on the right side of the wrong argument! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12boreblue Posted December 20, 2015 Report Share Posted December 20, 2015 We are no more a democracy in GB because we are governed from abroad, by an unelected council. Don't remember reading that in the magna carta! Also everyone on here who voted Conservative or Labour consented for this to continue, ergo have no argument. If you don't like it vote to leave the EU, simple is it not? In my opinion all organisations that claim to represent us, and charge a fee for the privilege, are in business, not politics! Enjoy Christmas in twenty years it will have been banned! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 We are no more a democracy in GB because we are governed from abroad, by an unelected council. Don't remember reading that in the magna carta! Also everyone on here who voted Conservative or Labour consented for this to continue, ergo have no argument. If you don't like it vote to leave the EU, simple is it not? In my opinion all organisations that claim to represent us, and charge a fee for the privilege, are in business, not politics! Enjoy Christmas in twenty years it will have been banned! :-) Never!! Repackaged, rescheduled, renamed…..Ramadan perhaps, or ‘Cold Turkey’ to you and me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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