rodp Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 What am I missing here ? For several hours (days?) even I down here have known "up north" was going to flood. We've been told rivers were going to burst, roads were going to flood and everything was going to get very, very wet. So, why when I look on the news are so many vehicles just parked on drives and car parks submerged in water. Would it be so difficult to move them the night before ? What have I missed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Perhaps some owners are away, and having more than one vehicle, the one they have left behind is therefore stranded? Speaking for my own home town, there are only so many places vehicles can be parked. Two of our Fire crew were caught out as they'd left their vehicles at the station when answering the call, and returned to find their vehicles under water, and in this particular case the fire station also. Once there is a foot or so of water it's often too late to move them as drain and manhole covers can be lifted by the water and driving can be dangerous. The second time the river came over last week there was one solitary car left parked on the main town road; no one could contact the owner so it was left; obviously not a priority. It was still there yesterday, almost a week later, with a traffic cone and a plastic bakers tray wedged underneath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aga man Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Perhaps too busy securing there worldy possessions, lively hoods etc! Its' a valid point you raise but to where do they move the vehicles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Probably because it's never happened in their life time before. Where I live a pub that has stood for 200 years collapsed and washed away, couple of modern footbridges one exploding a gas main gone and the street where my mate lives that has never flooded in my lifetime and a fair distance from the river is waist deep. So his car is ruined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 (edited) I have every sympathy for those who have lost so much in all of the recent flooding, with 1 exception, the idiots who think that their car can get through the floodwater only to find it can't. It is then abandoned, often making life difficult for Emergency Services, when the water subsides. Edited December 26, 2015 by Westley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 (edited) Hindsight is wonderful. A shooting mate's house has been flooded - his car is stuck on his drive. No sign of floods in the area for the 43 years I have lived here. Just how he would be expected to foresee this event is beyond me. Timps - the Waterside at Summerseat came as a shock, as did the exploding gas main - about 1 1/2 miles from where I live. Edited December 26, 2015 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 They will keep building on flood plains, it doesn't help one bit. I'm not saying that is the sole cause but if you keep building on area's that have in the past allowed the water to soak away, it has nowhere to go but move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 the waterside was a massive shock it's about 1/12 miles from my house and never thought it would just collapse like that. Ramsbottom was closed for most of the day as it was under water. Holcomebrook was also badly flooded and that's not even a river it's just a brook and high ground. I have never seen anything like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerettaSV10 Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 On 26/12/2015 at 21:42, Dougy said: They will keep building on flood plains, it doesn't help one bit. I'm not saying that is the sole cause but if you keep building on area's that have in the past allowed the water to soak away, it has nowhere to go but move on. They are doing that around here building on flood plains, then to prevent flooding in various towns they put up flood barriers, which makes it even more likely to flood elsewhere add to it the ground is water logged, so the water has lost its natural flood plains and is flooding any where it can find to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Timps - Holcombe Brook comes as a shock. It doesn't seem to have the low lying terrain for a flood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 It's were the brook went under the road and couldn't cope so went over the top. What has been great is the humour of those effected. The pictures posted of lads on social media of anything that can float trying to make the best of it outside their houses and trying to see the funny side as well as the comments made. The lack of woe is me posts shows what a great community it is round here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 ISTR Gordon Brown with his tongue clearly seen in his cheeks on TV spouting he would not allow Councils to block house building on flood plains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 A friend of mine had just received his £70k vehicle three weeks ago. When the rains started he was aware of the dangers and moved his car on the side of a hill. Returned the next day and the water was 3 meters lower than his car. Tried to remotely unlock it, nothing happened. The guy living near the hill told him that the night before the water was up to his wind shield. The car is a write off. The hill was not a tiny one, we are talking about perhaps 10 meters elevation from the base of the hill. Sometimes nature is predictable... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Quote What have I missed? A bit of common-sense and knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted December 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 On 26/12/2015 at 23:55, Gordon R said: A bit of common-sense and knowledge. Possibly the knowledge, we don't get floods due to elevation here. Without the knowledge the common sense is difficult Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 On 26/12/2015 at 21:42, Dougy said: They will keep building on flood plains, it doesn't help one bit. I'm not saying that is the sole cause but if you keep building on area's that have in the past allowed the water to soak away, it has nowhere to go but move on. Agree, it will all be concreted over, then what happens? Faster and higher? Very sorry for the people involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 On 26/12/2015 at 23:20, Psyxologos said: A friend of mine had just received his £70k vehicle three weeks ago. When the rains started he was aware of the dangers and moved his car on the side of a hill. Returned the next day and the water was 3 meters lower than his car. Tried to remotely unlock it, nothing happened. The guy living near the hill told him that the night before the water was up to his wind shield. The car is a write off. The hill was not a tiny one, we are talking about perhaps 10 meters elevation from the base of the hill. Sometimes nature is predictable... Water (floods) tends to be quite predictable, it finds a level. The hill you mention seems to be the side of a valley, if you live in a hole there is little point moving a few feet up the side of the hole, you need high ground. It is rare water naturally flows uphill, even in flood conditions, it finds its level! Google Earth is a simple way for many to check elevation, just because you see a hill it doesn't always mean its high ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitloop Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 On 26/12/2015 at 21:42, Dougy said: They will keep building on flood plains, it doesn't help one bit. I'm not saying that is the sole cause but if you keep building on area's that have in the past allowed the water to soak away, it has nowhere to go but move on. im with dougy on this one near me there is a new estate at the bottom of a hill built on boggy wet ground. there was a reason it was not built on ?? so they drained it and built the houses so after the 3rd year of getting flooded the developer put big land drains in and bridges over to get to the houses .but where will the water go to as the next flood plane is now a industrial est.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 Someone has posted a picture online of a council erected sign on the edge of a field somewhere in the Lake District proclaiming the land was designated and had planning for 39 dwellings. The field was under water. Sounds about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 Gentlemen, this may come as a shock to some of you, BUT, common sense is NO LONGER common! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted December 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 To be fair, in some (lots) situations common sense is now legislated out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 Scully - this is Harwood Bolton - couple of miles from me - Council are building house on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted December 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 They'll probably build the ground up, and pass the problem on to someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 (edited) On 27/12/2015 at 13:09, Gordon R said: Scully - this is Harwood Bolton - couple of miles from me - Council are building house on here. I think we all know the flooding situation is dire in some parts of the country, but that is just a big puddle, gardens/houses seem clear to me and if someone had simply bug a small calvert in the field I'd guess much of that would have simply disappeared in the road drains! Edited December 27, 2015 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 I think councils are desperate to build houses anywhere they can Gordon R. That picture reminds me of a local development called Rampkin Pastures in my home town. It is a flood plain, but so far the council have only built on its perimeters, the middle of which looks like a lake at this time of year. Time will tell if further building goes ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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