secretagentmole Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 A while back was talking to a contractor who has EA contracts, and mentioned there are only 2 drag liners I the country at the moment, so no large work can or will be undertaken. Used to love watching them do the large drains and dykes around here, the herons waiting for eels or fish. I can remember them working the ditches and drainage channels in the fens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Please correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't EU legislation govern the permitted works to main drainage channels and rivers? I do know this, Holland dont have silted and overgrown watercourses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 I can remember them working the ditches and drainage channels in the fens. You can fit...retro fit an NCK....for drag bucket up to a 100' jib if needed..............many years ago i worked as a site mge for a plant company and we had 8 draglines RB 22's and a couple of 36's.......used to be out to the water people and emptying the lime ponds at the sugar factories.... the problem is drivers...they are not an easy piece of kit to drive ....and cause of the weight they need mats and the jib and weights are transported seperatly....so it is an expensive operation for a short hire...............thats why contractors have gone to 360 dredgers...but they havnt the reach and have to do a river from both sides wheras a dragline can do it from one side.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Just visited the news. It's worse than when it was bad. So consecutive governments haven't had the foresight to predict this. Or rather they knew but decided to make cuts. What's the bill then? Catastrophic compared to keeping our rivers properly dredged and maintained I bet. Everything is run on "short termism". Look it up if you like! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 You can fit...retro fit an NCK....for drag bucket up to a 100' jib if needed..............many years ago i worked as a site mge for a plant company and we had 8 draglines RB 22's and a couple of 36's.......used to be out to the water people and emptying the lime ponds at the sugar factories.... the problem is drivers...they are not an easy piece of kit to drive ....and cause of the weight they need mats and the jib and weights are transported seperatly....so it is an expensive operation for a short hire...............thats why contractors have gone to 360 dredgers...but they havnt the reach and have to do a river from both sides wheras a dragline can do it from one side.............. Not too many lads about now ditchman, that can work there hands and feet in unison on rope machines. The first time i got in the seat of a 22 RB ICD, it scrambled my brain for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Not too many lads about now ditchman, that can work there hands and feet in unison on rope machines. The first time i got in the seat of a 22 RB ICD, it scrambled my brain for a while. never operating a dragline with my feet hands brain...and rolling a fag at the same time............................................... my problem is i have that problem everytime i get out of bed in the morning..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 never operating a dragline with my feet hands brain...and rolling a fag at the same time............................................... my problem is i have that problem everytime i get out of bed in the morning..... At least with a Ruston it was right hand clutch, right foot brake, and left hand clutch, left foot brake. If you was driving a Smiths dragline, it was right hand clutch and left foot brake. and left hand clutch and right foot brake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 cant remember now....but we did have a mess with connecting everything up with air hydraulic.....it was a lot easier to work and it only needed a light touch...but we "lost" the ability to throw the bucket an extra 10' as you coundnt feel the drum brake anymore when throwing the bucket out....the drum would overspin ....and everything would be a rats nest............the old way was better ...but you needed strength to drag for a 10hr day....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon controller Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) We used to see the dredgers every other year on the Grand Union when I was a kid, it's says dredge to 3ft 6 to 4ft 6 on the tow path concrete. When I fish it is 1ft 6 to 3ft . Due to its lesser volume when it rains the excess goes over the overflows to local steams which have all been culverted this then hits the local river quickly and causes surges of water. When I drive through Europe the Swiss and the Italian rivers are all trickles within a wide banks so allowing for massive expansion . The British waterways has been made a charity is that for tax reasons and not water management? My heart goes out to the people of the North as they are paying the price of miss management and golden handshakes for managers who have taken the easy option in tha past. I've just listens to the news and the flood barrier has been sent in with a Shinook as the water got into the electrics ? The first thing you protect in a flood barrier is its mode of operation so the electrics or power are at the top far from the water?? RANT OVER!!!!!! Edited December 28, 2015 by pigeon controller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 We used to see the dredgers every other year on the Grand Union when I was a kid, it's says dredge to 3ft 6 to 4ft 6 on the tow path concrete. When I fish it is 1ft 6 to 3ft . Due to its lesser volume when it rains the excess goes over the overflows to local steams which have all been culverted this then hits the local river quickly and causes surges of water. When I drive through Europe the Swiss and the Italian rivers are all trickles within a wide banks so allowing for massive expansion . The British waterways has been made a charity is that for tax reasons and not water management? My heart goes out to the people of the North as they are paying the price of miss management and golden handshakes for managers who have taken the easy option in tha past. I've just listens to the news and the flood barrier has been sent in with a Shinook as the water got into the electrics ? The first thing you protect in a flood barrier is its mode of operation so the electrics or power are at the top far from the water? ? RANT OVER!!!!!! You're forgetting that in the UK you get paid just as much for an abysmal failure as you do for a complete success. And guess which is easier to achieve ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Just visited the news. It's worse than when it was bad. So consecutive governments haven't had the foresight to predict this. Or rather they knew but decided to make cuts. What's the bill then? Catastrophic compared to keeping our rivers properly dredged and maintained I bet. Everything is run on "short termism". Look it up if you like! nobody wants to pay the bill NOW, better to leave big bills in case they get voted out at the next election, so we have concreted over and built on water meadows, drained arable land so well that water runs off as quickly as possible, then failed to open up water courses to allow the water to drain to the sea, this is not going to go away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 La bala. We had a couple of machines in our company ..... Sod to start in winter time, however local kids never had any problem at weekends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 Whilst there is a lot of wisdom in the comments above are we missing the point that no amount of planning or defences can be effective when then next storm is 10 times worse than the previous worst. One thing which is apparent is the houses affected do not appear to be new builds but properties 50-100 years old. I doubt DC's planning team can do little but put a sticking plaster on this. Here in Norfolk lovely weather, a bit wet under foot when I was our shooting yesterday but in shirtsleeves and a waistcoat so enjoyed myself but we are very low-lying coastal area which has been inundated by the sea several time (2-3 minor ones in my 63 years) and we live with the knowledge there might be a big one - the wrong combination of events ie a northerly wind, a high tide and North Sea surge and hundreds of home will go under. The way world weather is going how likely is this - very very likely! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 nobody wants to pay the bill NOW, better to leave big bills in case they get voted out at the next election, so we have concreted over and built on water meadows, drained arable land so well that water runs off as quickly as possible, then failed to open up water courses to allow the water to drain to the sea, this is not going to go away If the government had've invested in prevention rather than chucking the towel in we would be in a lot better place. You'd have thought we'd have learnt a little lesson from what happened on the Somerset levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 Political point scoring, the blame game, what is the point? These rains are 'unprecedented'. That may be the case now but in the future they may be the norm. The damage has already been done, building on flood plains, flood barriers that are inadequate, flood defence schemes that divert water causing bigger problems. There will be more of this to come unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 It might just get worse if they bring back more beavers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 A lot off you have mentioned electrics being lifted up to the first floor , what about the sub stations transformers , I put in temp power in places that have been in the disasters in the form off generators , we couple up to the grid and run the areas with power while the DNO sort there stations out , this is we're the main problem is and they can't have these in the air , house electrics are least off there problems , don't get me wrong gutted for the home owners if you know them please ask them not to shoot the messenger we are trying to help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 Political point scoring, the blame game, what is the point? These rains are 'unprecedented'. That may be the case now but in the future they may be the norm. The damage has already been done, building on flood plains, flood barriers that are inadequate, flood defence schemes that divert water causing bigger problems. There will be more of this to come unfortunately. Analytical not political, in areas of historical very high precipitation, adequate flood defences should be built and maintained in anticipation. The blame is all the planers not the rain’s, that have got it wrong again, and again, and again and again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 Analytical not political, in areas of historical very high precipitation, adequate flood defences should be built and maintained in anticipation. The blame is all the planers not the rain’s, that have got it wrong again, and again, and again and again! Indeed why not assume the worst and plan accordingly whoever's in power, unfortunately most of Britains towns/cities are built adjacent to rivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 After his recent visit to York our David I feel has made it clear in his non speech that he actually intends doing nothing to alleviate future misery from floods.he visits because if he didn't the opposition would have a field day and then all he can come up with is a review committee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 It might just get worse if they bring back more beavers never enough beaver.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 We used to see the dredgers every other year on the Grand Union when I was a kid, it's says dredge to 3ft 6 to 4ft 6 on the tow path concrete. When I fish it is 1ft 6 to 3ft . Due to its lesser volume when it rains the excess goes over the overflows to local steams which have all been culverted this then hits the local river quickly and causes surges of water. When I drive through Europe the Swiss and the Italian rivers are all trickles within a wide banks so allowing for massive expansion . The British waterways has been made a charity is that for tax reasons and not water management? My heart goes out to the people of the North as they are paying the price of miss management and golden handshakes for managers who have taken the easy option in tha past. I've just listens to the news and the flood barrier has been sent in with a Shinook as the water got into the electrics ? The first thing you protect in a flood barrier is its mode of operation so the electrics or power are at the top far from the water? ? RANT OVER!!!!!! I used to work on the British Waterways site at Bulls Bridge on the Grand Union many years ago. They had two dredgers there that worked all year round and the spoil from the dreging used to go to fill in old gravel pits along the side of the canal. It was a profitable process because a lot of land was reclaimed that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 Political point scoring, the blame game, what is the point? These rains are 'unprecedented'. That may be the case now but in the future they may be the norm. The damage has already been done, building on flood plains, flood barriers that are inadequate, flood defence schemes that divert water causing bigger problems. There will be more of this to come unfortunately. Unprecedented maybe, but not unforeseen .............. big difference. I have no doubt somewhere along the line someone somewhere is earning big money as a director of planning (or some other important sounding title), it's their job to foresee the unprecedented. The top and bottom of it is that past governments just haven't done what's required, now the voters are paying the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuffy Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 How does the government get the blame for the weather ? It's down to the environment agency , the intellectuals that run it don't give a tinkers . If you look on there website any one not shovelling has to have a degree . And I guess all the county councils were told this sort of weather was on it's way , lincolnshire county council didn't put emergency route signs up just on a whim . The ER signs direct people to higher ground Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 (edited) How does the government get the blame for the weather ? It's down to the environment agency , the intellectuals that run it don't give a tinkers . If you look on there website any one not shovelling has to have a degree . And I guess all the county councils were told this sort of weather was on it's way , lincolnshire county council didn't put emergency route signs up just on a whim . The ER signs direct people to higher ground The government gets the blame as they withhold funds for vital works to be done.cut cut and cut again.As for the signs that have been put up in lincolnshire it may have been helpful if they had also informed people what they were for.If you follow some of them you may find they take you through some of the lowest lying areas of the county. Edited December 29, 2015 by bostonmick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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