spandit Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Tempted to buy a cheap BRNO .22 for use as a truck gun but the barrel is currently too long. Gunsmiths I've spoken to have said to shorten the barrel is quite expensive because one has to pay for it to be reproofed, otherwise it can't be sold. However, for a gun this cheap, I'm thinking it's money I wouldn't get back again so might as well have it shortened but not reproofed and throw it away when I'm done (i.e. surrender it to an RFD). Are there gunsmiths that will do that for me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cawdor118 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 How do you prove a gun has been re proofed once it was shortened? You can't. Other words don't worry about it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Same goes for screw cutting. Speak to a decent smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 If you are just shortening the barrel and not screw cutting it the reproof should not be needed . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Just tell them you don't want it reproofing. If they insist then take it to someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) How do you prove a gun has been re proofed once it was shortened? You can't. Other words don't worry about it... By the proof stamp at the muzzle Your smith is wrong shortening does not require reproof by law, your most likely to find his insurance does. Edited January 7, 2016 by welshwarrior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 By the proof stamp at the mussel. Your smith is wrong shortening does not require reproof by law, your most likely to find his insurance does. Bicep or tricep? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Bicep or tricep? Auto type is great 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Auto type is great I've just got in from a night-shift and couldn't resist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 As said, shortening alone does not need proof. Threading does because one is removing thickness of the barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted January 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 I'm not sure the 22 I bought with a shortened barrel from a dealer is actually proofed... Anyway, recommendations for someone who can do it in the South East? Not sure on the legalities of giving the barrel to a general machinist as it's a firearm component... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 You do not need to reproof if you shorten a barrel. Your gunsmith is not correct but its often said. Threading again is a grey area, our local man will do it without charging for a reproof. They don't charge you for a reproof if they drill the barrel to fit a scope and that is removing metal. I think its over interpreting the law, which isn't actually that precicely worded that it mentions shortening or threading at all.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benthejockey Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 You only need a gun re proofed after screw cutting if you plan to sell it on ie you're fully entitled to potentially blow yourself up but you aren't allowed to potentially blow someone else up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 My understanding is that if a reproof was required after an alteration like a screwcut, is is only needed if the rifle is sold. If the rifle stays in your ownership, no reproof is required. Some smiths want it done for insurance purposes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 I'm not sure the 22 I bought with a shortened barrel from a dealer is actually proofed... Anyway, recommendations for someone who can do it in the South East? Not sure on the legalities of giving the barrel to a general machinist as it's a firearm component... If it's not for payment or reward and your supervising him with the component at all times then I think all is good Chances are and I am being 100% on this if he is a proper time served guy he will do a better job than many so called riflesmiths The proviso is concentric to the bore not od and knowledge of crowning off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted January 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 I'll see what he says. I'd do it myself but my lathe doesn't have a big enough bore. Not sure if my local RFD mandated it had to be reproofed, just think it was mentioned in the case of selling it. I'd want it threaded anyway so not just a simple shortening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Ye Gods, this topic is like extracting teeth! The law does not require a reproof after chopping or screw-cutting. If the act of chopping and screw-cut does in fact take the firearm out of proof then it is only an offence to sell it. Owning or giving away ( given or gifted ) an out of proof or unproved gun is NOT an offence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Is it not against the rules for a gunsmith to release a gun out of proof I know there are various takes on this I guess there is no test case to set president? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Is it not against the rules for a gunsmith to release a gun out of proof I know there are various takes on this I guess there is no test case to set president? ONLY if he sells it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Ye Gods, this topic is like extracting teeth! The law does not require a reproof after chopping or screw-cutting. If the act of chopping and screw-cut does in fact take the firearm out of proof then it is only an offence to sell it. Owning or giving away ( given or gifted ) an out of proof or unproved gun is NOT an offence. Amen to that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Tempted to buy a cheap BRNO .22 for use as a truck gun but the barrel is currently too long. Gunsmiths I've spoken to have said to shorten the barrel is quite expensive because one has to pay for it to be reproofed, otherwise it can't be sold. However, for a gun this cheap, I'm thinking it's money I wouldn't get back again so might as well have it shortened but not reproofed and throw it away when I'm done (i.e. surrender it to an RFD). Are there gunsmiths that will do that for me? I'm not sure the 22 I bought with a shortened barrel from a dealer is actually proofed... Anyway, recommendations for someone who can do it in the South East? Not sure on the legalities of giving the barrel to a general machinist as it's a firearm component... I'll see what he says. I'd do it myself but my lathe doesn't have a big enough bore. Not sure if my local RFD mandated it had to be reproofed, just think it was mentioned in the case of selling it. I'd want it threaded anyway so not just a simple shortening Shame you didn't mention that in the initial post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 As said, shortening alone does not need proof. Threading does because one is removing thickness of the barrel. I believe you will find that is still under debate. http://jacksonrifles.com/zz-silencers/proofcounsel.htm Has anything been set as a precedent since the above? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 My sincere apologies. I am not up to date it seems. Sorry and thank you. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 Proof business is a racket! the only people who want you to proof a chopped barrel are the proof houses! I have a rechambered rifle that is not proofed, no intention of selling it or coughing up several hundred pounds for the priviledge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 Proof business is a racket! the only people who want you to proof a chopped barrel are the proof houses! I have a rechambered rifle that is not proofed, no intention of selling it or coughing up several hundred pounds for the priviledge I think this idea that you can't sell a rifle thats been threaded is part of the mythology. nobody checks and for the most part there is no way of knowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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