besty57 Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Merkel will be ****ting herself and will hoping this isn't an is attack,but then again they could cover it up ,as they did at new year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Are all German police still armed. AFAIK yes. There was an interesting program on last week with Ross Kemp. He talked to a captured ISIS soldier, an Iraqi iirc. The guy said that the recruits from the West were far more hardline and strict than the locals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Who says this is Islamic Terrorism? Anyone outside the liberal mindset? The BBC are pushing the view that as it's 5 years to the day that Anders Breivik went tonto in Norway this could be a 'right wing' attack. They just can't help themselves sometimes. It could be a re run of Hitlers Beer Hall Putsch I suppose. but somehow I don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Latest saying it maybe a one man band who's killed himself, time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) Latest saying it maybe a one man band who's killed himself, time will tell. Could be lots of headcases out there. Edited July 22, 2016 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 It is 5 years to the day that the right wing Anders Brevic....went on the rampage in Scandinavia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 As always it's sound bites on a fluid situation. The news stations don't know and people react to the latest headline. Whether it's right wing fruit loops, left wing odd balls or just nut jobs as Munzy alludes to that Isis then lay a rediculous claim to remains to be seen. Isis will call any sicko a "brother" just to big themselves up in the media. If John Green kills a chicken in Essex its that. If mustafa green kills a chicken in Essex Isis claim him as a brother fighting the infidel and they get more advertising. sick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 The issue here is that IS gives any disillusioned weirdo the chance to be accepted and part of something. When these attacks occur (and there will be many, many more) they are committed by crackpots who feel left out of society, ignored, offended, "different". In the US many of the non-terrorism based mass shootings over the years have been committed by the same sort of person, bullied, misunderstood, different. Think Sandyhook, Columbine etc. It is also true that Michael Ryan, Bird (forget his first name) and Thomas Hamilton fit the same profile. They are outsiders, angry with those around them who have a screw loose. The big problem we face now is that, for these same weirdos, commiting these heinous acts in the name of IS or jihad gives these people the identity and acceptance they seek. They are not soldiers of Islam, they haven't attended training camps and for many (and I think the majority as this continues) they won't have been radicalised in a mosque. They are sad loners who feel sorry for themselves and see that they can focus their disillusionment and hatred at "westerners" and finally be part of an exclusive club. We face a growing problem here and ironically I don't think it will truly be Islam at the core of it, it will be oddballs who latch onto the hateful ideology of groups like IS who offer them acceptance, not because they are religious but because they have there arms outstrectched offering comfort. What will make this impossible to defeat is that all of this can happen over the Internet. One day a loon wakes up in an angry mood, boards a train and cuts someone's head off. They aren't Muslim, they are just part of the virtual identity of IS. This will go on and on. this is the way I read it, they latch onto "what ever" cause because this is the nearest they can get too a life, they are probably suicidal and commit suicide by police in what the percieve is a blaze of glory, shame they cant just do without taking innocent people with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laird Lugton Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Anyone outside the liberal mindset? The BBC are pushing the view that as it's 5 years to the day that Anders Breivik went tonto in Norway this could be a 'right wing' attack. They just can't help themselves sometimes. It could be a re run of Hitlers Beer Hall Putsch I suppose. but somehow I don't think so. I am outside the liberal mindset and am keeping an open mind..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 this is the way I read it, they latch onto "what ever" cause because this is the nearest they can get too a life, they are probably suicidal and commit suicide by police in what the percieve is a blaze of glory, shame they cant just do without taking innocent people with them. I don't read it that way. They all have one thing in common at the moment, that thing is Islam. If you have the ultimate, religious, get out of hell free card offered to you and you also have a problem with the West, then its the perfect marriage. You get to kill some infidels, get a whole lot of mixed up beliefs and past history off your chest and get a guaranteed place in heaven. The guy that drove the truck, we were told he was 'recently radicalised', seems it had been a fairly long time in the planning after all. How many of these nut-nuts are now freely wandering around Europe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul65 Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Coming home tonight, the thought flitted through my mind, "It's Friday night, probably some terrorist shootings or bombings will happen in Europe." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 I am outside the liberal mindset and am keeping an open mind..... Personally I'm putting my money on Mo's boys. Radical right wing nutters tend to target their victims, whether it be the Jews in Nazi Germany, left wing students in Norway or blacks by the KKK. Random attacks on men, women and children of no particular race or colour carries the hallmark MO of the religion of peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 He was an Iranian who had German nationality. There is going to be a massive backlash to this in Germany and that's exactly what IS want to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Nice attack: City refuses police call to delete CCTV images http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36864440 Cover up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) Nice attack: City refuses police call to delete CCTV images http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36864440 Cover up? Take them away and lock them in a safe by all means but delete? That flies in the face of every kind of logic. Even twenty years later they might identify someone on there they didn't know about at the time Its like when Jean Charles de Menenzes was shot on Stockwell station. The Police said the CCTV on the station wasn't working but the stationmaster always insisted that it was working and the police took it away in the hours after the shooting. Edited July 23, 2016 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Interestingly the police were able to swamp the area in minutes limiting his options while more specialist armed response arrived. In a similar situation in the UK like in the murder of lee rigby the police would have to back off and wait for armed response leaving the shooter to continue their killing spree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Interestingly the police were able to swamp the area in minutes limiting his options while more specialist armed response arrived. In a similar situation in the UK like in the murder of lee rigby the police would have to back off and wait for armed response leaving the shooter to continue their killing spree. Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Interestingly the police were able to swamp the area in minutes limiting his options while more specialist armed response arrived. In a similar situation in the UK like in the murder of lee rigby the police would have to back off and wait for armed response leaving the shooter to continue their killing spree. Have to agree. Many situations are arising that need swift/ direct action that the UK Police Service cannot provide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Have to agree. Many situations are arising that need swift/ direct action that the UK Police Service cannot provide. Used to drive me mad! A firearms or knife incident came in and the first thing the Force Incident manager would do is arrange a rendevous point for all officers a mile and a half away. It didn't used to be like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 H&S plus the fear of prosecution must be having s negative effect. Like watching someone drown as H&S dictated that the Officer must not seek to obtain a solution that might be detrimental to their personal safety...... Good job I'm not 'in the job' as would most likely be 'out of the job' very quickly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Used to drive me mad! A firearms or knife incident came in and the first thing the Force Incident manager would do is arrange a rendevous point for all officers a mile and a half away. It didn't used to be like that. We had an incident in the town centre last year where a car overturned and the elderly driver was trapped unconscious in a fume filled car in their seat belt. Police arrived on the scene and instead of helping immediately, called for the fire brigade ( even though the fire station was a mere 200 yards away from the scene it is manned entirely by part-timers, all of whom work, who react to beepers and it therefore takes time for them to respond ) and if it wasn't for the intervention of a district nurse and a first responder who happened to be on a lunch break together in a local sandwich bar and administered CPR a life may have been lost. Apparently the embarrassed Police officers stood around red faced while an exceptionally angry nurse gave them a severe rollicking in the street. I can't really blame the rozzers ( as much as I'd like to ) as I don't know for definite why they didn't intervene, but possibly policy prevented them from doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 The thing that amazed me was how many police officers and how many vehicles they were able to put on the streets within minutes. Munich isn't that big a city, to have that sort of headcount available more or less instantly shows a different approach to policing. Its like New York, literally a police man on every street corner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 That scum newspaper, The Daily Mirror, in this mornings first edition, by their defence and security specialist, blamed 3 (Yes 3) white , far-right extremists for the killings! Never mind waiting for the truth, let,s smear anyone from the right....What a dismal paper this is, one can only assume that it is only bought by morons! Turns out the perpetrator was a German born Iranian.....says it all, really! The issue here is that IS gives any disillusioned weirdo the chance to be accepted and part of something.When these attacks occur (and there will be many, many more) they are committed by crackpots who feel left out of society, ignored, offended, "different". In the US many of the non-terrorism based mass shootings over the years have been committed by the same sort of person, bullied, misunderstood, different. Think Sandyhook, Columbine etc. It is also true that Michael Ryan, Bird (forget his first name) and Thomas Hamilton fit the same profile. They are outsiders, angry with those around them who have a screw loose.The big problem we face now is that, for these same weirdos, commiting these heinous acts in the name of IS or jihad gives these people the identity and acceptance they seek. They are not soldiers of Islam, they haven't attended training camps and for many (and I think the majority as this continues) they won't have been radicalised in a mosque. They are sad loners who feel sorry for themselves and see that they can focus their disillusionment and hatred at "westerners" and finally be part of an exclusive club.We face a growing problem here and ironically I don't think it will truly be Islam at the core of it, it will be oddballs who latch onto the hateful ideology of groups like IS who offer them acceptance, not because they are religious but because they have there arms outstrectched offering comfort.What will make this impossible to defeat is that all of this can happen over the Internet. One day a loon wakes up in an angry mood, boards a train and cuts someone's head off. They aren't Muslim, they are just part of the virtual identity of IS. This will go on and on. But the vast majority here in Europe ARE Muslim! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 It is 5 years to the day that the right wing Anders Brevic....went on the rampage in Scandinavia So what? The killer yesterday was a German born of IRANIAN descent, not a Far-Right mental patient! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 The problem is I think down to American and Euopean countries keep on poking sticks in the hornets nest that is the middle east if we just leave them be to sort out there own problems perhaps they would not feel the need to give us the odd kicking. Oh did I forget we do rather like there oil and instead of paying the people who live there for it we give the money to kings and jumped up dictators could that be what pees them off as well. Too much of a simplification.....however, you are right about poking a stick in the hornets nest......perhaps we should totally eradicate the nest? Who says this is Islamic Terrorism? Who says it isn,t? (Apart from that Brain dead daily rag, The Mirror) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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