Cosd Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 (edited) After existing semi autos were converyted after the 88 act, which they alowed an extra six months leaway to get conversions done, It was on all new guns to be ristricted by the manufacturers or importers, im not sure if they had to comply fully to the descriptions on constriction as gunsmiths had to do to the existing guns needing conversion. But i do feel just leaving a plug in as a way of restriction is not quite what the law had in mind. I feel this is not very responsible or in the spirit of the law on the part of the manufacturer importer. My feelings are it coulod be technicaly verging in illegal. Its certainly an abuse, and in early restricted guns they acctualy need the restriction the stamp and the prof house certificate to be legal in full. Very suprised at the plug .. I was also surprised. I came across it by mistake watching a Youtube video about cleaning the gun. I thought "that can't be right", but checking mine, it is that simple. Totally agree with you though, it borders on negligence from the manufacturer. Edited August 12, 2016 by Cosd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel100 Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 The fact that an importer has not checked that the guns are only fitted with a plastic rod is appalling (and criminal). Certainly, if the rod / block can be removed it is not permanent then the gun is a s1 firearm and not a s2 shotgun. Get it to an RFD pdq so that it can be permanently modded and send the bill to the RFD who illegally sold you a s1!!! Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDS Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 (edited) All modern Beretta 3 shot autos come plugged and not crimped.. Beretta has their own in factory proof house and 3 shot guns come with a certificate of proof Here is a photo of my cert. from a 1990 Beretta A303 Edited August 12, 2016 by TDS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncher Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 I recently purchased a browning gold ten that was unplugged and was in the case if you wanted to fit it ,I did but it made cleaning the mag tube very say to clean .For me it's load of fuss over nothing the restriction was only to stop someone being able to go on a killing spree with multi shots! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 The Wildlife & Countryside act came into force in 1981 and was amended in the 90's Back in those days my SGC was about like a postcard with no photo or record of the guns. I used to have a Remington 1100 this was 5 shot (4+1) and came supplied with a plastic plug to insert into the magazine and restrict the shotgun to 2+1 - this was nothing to do with UK law but was in fact to comply with numerous US State laws on taking wildfowl/game. Various manufacturers provide extension tubes and longer springs for up to 12 rounds ( these extend beyond the barrel) I had a 7+1 extension tube and what I would say is it ruined the balance of the gun and made it very heavy indeed. If anyone has a "shotgun" that has the plastic plug in the magazine then in this country this is a firearm and should be on an FAC, if your holding such a firearm on a SGC, you could find yourself in Big trouble? You should either lodge it with an RFD and get an FAC or have it properly modified and proof house certificated to retain it on a shotgun certificate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamyonsofor Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 You need Fac 1 , just got mine for practical and quarry,birds etc on the land I use,I am looking for 7+1 or 9+1 Mossberg or the like if anyone has one contact me pls.Mel (kamyonsofor) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamyonsofor Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Sorry posted on wrong page, my b-----y computer, might use it for pratical , Mel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Ghost loading has never been proven in court to be illegal, the only place it can be, everything else is merely opinion. I know of 4 police forces whose opinion is that it is NOT illegal to ghost load a S2 shotgun. The firearms act clearly states that only the number of cartridges in the magazine is restricted to 2. As the lifting plate is not the magazine, or part thereof then how could it considered contrary to the legislation? Similarly if a S2 shotgun had 4 barrels it would still be classed as Section 2 (providing it met the other requirements). Its no concern of mine as I have unrestricted S1 shotguns and the only S2 gun I have is an O/U but stating an opinion as a matter of fact when it is not is part of what causes the confusion over the legislation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Ghost loading has never been proven in court to be illegal, the only place it can be, everything else is merely opinion. I know of 4 police forces whose opinion is that it is NOT illegal to ghost load a S2 shotgun. The firearms act clearly states that only the number of cartridges in the magazine is restricted to 2. As the lifting plate is not the magazine, or part thereof then how could it considered contrary to the legislation? Similarly if a S2 shotgun had 4 barrels it would still be classed as Section 2 (providing it met the other requirements). Its no concern of mine as I have unrestricted S1 shotguns and the only S2 gun I have is an O/U but stating an opinion as a matter of fact when it is not is part of what causes the confusion over the legislation. Floating the fourth if indeed it is legal would still be illegal for game or waterfowl as in the 1981 act, But for pigeons rabbits etc it would be fine i guess, a bit pointless though, not hard to do but a bit fiddley compared to just loading a mag tube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 I'm unfamiliar with the wording of the 1981 act and can't seem to readily put my hands on the legislative definition of a "semi-automatic weapon" in terms of that act, but if it indeed describes it in a manner which restricts the total number of cartridges/rounds contained within the gun, rather than just the magazine then it would be illegal. Ghost loading is fiddly and if I was using an S2 shotgun I would likely find reloading in the normal way quicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db135 Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 I no sum people might not agree but I don't see the need to go bigger than 3 shot only takes seconds to reload wouldn't want to put a slot on firearms cert for a s1 shotgun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 I no sum people might not agree but I don't see the need to go bigger than 3 shot only takes seconds to reload wouldn't want to put a slot on firearms cert for a s1 shotgun. Im with you on this but i dont hunt rabbits in such a way i need multiple shots, which scrub rabbiting is probably the only place i can see i might just need a multi shot self loader. Even then i can count on one hand when i would have ever needed one in 40 plus years. Its no big deal either way a variation or free on renewal gets them granted ok but its not even worth the ink filling it in for me, but others may need these big magazine capacitys for what or how they hunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 I no sum people might not agree but I don't see the need to go bigger than 3 shot only takes seconds to reload wouldn't want to put a slot on firearms cert for a s1 shotgun. Need being the operative word. You may not need one but others, such as myself, who for one reason or another are obliged to control large numbers of rabbits and winged vermin find them highly efficient for doing the job in hand. i'd hate to tell you how many times I've shot 7 or 8 rabbits in rapid succession (whilst chomping on my crops). If I'd had to reload it would not have been achievable. Funny how one views something when it affects the £in our pocket, the old saying of horses for courses springs to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db135 Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Glad to hear you have got the need for a 7/8 shot semi I havnt and money dosent come into it for me only use mine for clays and crows/pidgeon days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Callahan Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Glad to hear you have got the need for a 7/8 shot semi I havnt and money dosent come into it for me only use mine for clays and crows/pidgeon days £££ isn't the cost on your pocket. It's the financial damage/losses to the crop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Or thr 4 other carts blasted at a fast dissappearing pigeon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Or thr 4 other carts blasted at a fast dissappearing pigeon. The mate whom I bought a SP 11-87 Remington from, which was 8 + 1, once fired seven shots at a crow and hit it with his eighth! Good laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 The mate whom I bought a SP 11-87 Remington from, which was 8 + 1, once fired seven shots at a crow and hit it with his eighth! Good laugh. [/quote Glad it's not just me then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Glad it's not just me then! No, it's not just you. I think most of us have been there at one time or another. I had some great fun with that gun and have fond memories of it ( especially at straw bale shoots when both he and me paired up on simulated driven after he bought his S1 Benelli! ) and it had a Rhino extended/ported quarter choke which threw fabulous patterns with Kent Velocity. I have some great memories of using it roost shooting and for bolting bunnies it was just brilliant, but the weight of it just wore me down eventually, and was just far too heavy, even in a hide. Shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Glad to hear you have got the need for a 7/8 shot semi I havnt and money dosent come into it for me only use mine for clays and crows/pidgeon days When you say crow days, how many do you see / shoot? I applied for my s1 shotgun when I applied for my licence, so no additional cost. The reason being a farm I shoot on has upward of 1000 crows on it at any one time,in feed barns cubicles maize pit etc. So of ten get up im not restricted to taking 3 out if I hit all three shots.. I have however like others taken 5/6 shots at one bird... And then thought to myself, how the hell did I miss 5 times... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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