ShootingEgg Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 Don't forget we have the legal challenge in the High court today over whether T'May can invoke article 50 without a parliamentary debate! Waste of money!! The people have spoken.. Put up and shut up.. And get on with it. Simples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugs Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) Not much of a democracy if the majority vote of the people is overturned. I didn't realise that when we first joined the EU, we effectively turned our back on free trading with the commonwealth, now with BREXIT, if it ever happens properly, we can again freely trade with the commonwealth. I have my own theory that the EU has a 'role' for each member state and that, that the UK or rather London, was the financial powerhouse but to the expense that they destroyed our other manual and skilled work forces and that those skills where divided amongst other member states, i.e. destroyed our own energy (most of our electrical power comes in from France esp at peak times), divided up the skilled workforce and effectively allowed other countries to allow their workforces to do the labour or semi-skilled jobs in the UK. Whilst in the EU we do have to rely on other countries to supply us commodities and people. Point in hand is the offshore industry, most vessels whom operate in the North Sea have to have techies from Poland or elsewhere and another example is small airlines, UK owned but hire Dutch pilots. My brother went for that particular role and was told he didn't get the job since they were hiring Dutch people, that was from a small UK airline freighter company, well after BREXIT, they will have to employ their own people. Engineers are in short supply in the UK but I believe it is due to lack of investment in our own workforces and school leavers, since it's easier to import those skills, it appears each country has its own role in the EU to the detriment of the home 'state'. This is only my theory. Edited October 13, 2016 by Pugs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 Not much of a democracy if the majority vote of the people is overturned. I didn't realise that when we first joined the EU, we effectively turned our back on free trading with the commonwealth, now with BREXIT, if it ever happens properly, we can again freely trade with the commonwealth. I have my own theory that the EU has a 'role' for each member state and that, that the UK or rather London, was the financial powerhouse but to the expense that they destroyed our other manual and skilled work forces and that those skills where divided amongst other member states, i.e. destroyed our own energy (most of our electrical power comes in from France esp at peak times), divided up the skilled workforce and effectively allowed other countries to allow their workforces to do the labour or semi-skilled jobs in the UK. Whilst in the EU we do have to rely on other countries to supply us commodities and people. Point in hand is the offshore industry, most vessels whom operate in the North Sea have to have techies from Poland or elsewhere and another example is small airlines, UK owned but hire Dutch pilots. My brother went for that particular role and was told he didn't get the job since they were hiring Dutch people, that was from a small UK airline freighter company, well after BREXIT, they will have to employ their own people. Engineers are in short supply in the UK but I believe it is due to lack of investment in our own workforces and school leavers, since it's easier to import those skills, it appears each country has its own role in the EU to the detriment of the home 'state'. This is only my theory. I think this is a very good assessment of what's happened to the UK masses. Decent UK jobs are a lot harder to come by and although some of this comes down to automation and the like, mass immigration has definitely had an impact, causing wage suppression for the masses. I really feel sorry for the youngsters trying to get a start in life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxo Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 What worries me is Theresa May is right when she says she can't divulge the details of our brexit plan because it would give ammunition to the other side. This means that we won't know what the conniving ******** are up to until it's too late. I can't see any way past this unless it's down to a full blown all party committee to work it out for the good of all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 It often seems as if Mark Carney is determined to make all his and George Osbornes predictions of disaster come true. Everytime he makes a public pronouncement things go downhill. Time we had a new Governor. David. Agreed So far, in every recession, the income of the rich has gone up while everyone else has had to pick up the tab. It's all financial shenanigans so the speculators can make their billions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 Don't forget we have the legal challenge in the High court today over whether T'May can invoke article 50 without a parliamentary debate! I'm proud to live in a democracy where the Guyana-born wife of a millionaire hedge fund manager can go to court to challenge the execution of a nation-wide vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 According to the BBC news five minutes ago, there can be no legal challenge to Brexit; only the terms of our leaving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxo Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 This was always a given. It's the "terms" they're all angling for. See my earier post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrM Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) According to the BBC news five minutes ago, there can be no legal challenge to Brexit; only the terms of our leaving. I read that the review in the high court is lasting till Monday, and may move to the Supreme court afterwards - so no waste of money there then! Edited October 13, 2016 by MrM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 I read that the review in the high court is lasting till Monday, and may move to the Supreme court afterwards - so no waste of money there then! No, I can't think of a better use of court time than scrutinising fundamental constitutional principles. The transcript of this morning's hearing is already online - well worth a read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRDS Posted October 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 A case brought by someone who isn't British and married to a man from the most hated profession there is making money out of gambling other peoples money. You couldn't make it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 I could never see why we needed to employ a Canadian in the first place. I don't believe we do not have a home bred mathematician/business man capable of running the Bank of England, but was this another ruse toward Globalisation. From his actions and comments he is very tied into the EU mantra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adge Cutler Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) Brexit is going to be long, difficult and financially unsettling. Sure we will be able to control our own immigration policy to some extent but the countries in Europe still part of the EU which we need to trade with ( and we do need to trade with them like it or not ) will control the fortunes of the pound for the next few years perhaps even longer. I still think we have voted for Brexit for the wrong reasons, and issues at stake were of too big a consequence and importance to be left for the electorate to decide. I do however accept democracy and would hope which ever government is in power in the next 5 -10 years they would not capitulate to inequitable terms of exit... The EU However is going to make an example of us and hang us out to dry, there's no way we can be seen to come out of this mess with a advantage over remaining members....its just not going to happen. The financial Armageddon has slowly started and its only going to get worse from now on.. Within a year Diesel and petrol £1.50 - £1.70 a litre ? Inflation up 3-4 % It should be apparent to anyone who has even the basic understanding of economics that the extremes of our fiscal fortunes and the risks associated with global market trade were to some extent protected and manageable while we were part of the EU...... Not any more. I don't think we can rely heavily on America either and should perhaps look to the Far East and particularly Asia and India for future investment and trade opportunity. The problem is of course increased free trade agreements with these countries would mean relaxed restrictions on immigration similarly. So we are in a bit of a catch 22 situation. The ideal scenario would be to remain in the EU and negotiate hard for the concessions on immigration and autonomy which we all want. I fear this is going to be a very long last dance indeed. Edited October 13, 2016 by Adge Cutler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) Financial armageddon.... Please we are still in the eu ***... Scape goat brexit to the rescue... The markets love to fluxuate its what they do... Stay in and negotiate, yes because that works!!!! Edited October 13, 2016 by ShootingEgg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) Brexit is going to be long, difficult and financially unsettling. Sure we will be able to control our own immigration policy to some extent but the countries in Europe still part of the EU which we need to trade with ( and we do need to trade with them like it or not ) will control the fortunes of the pound for the next few years perhaps even longer. I still think we have voted for Brexit for the wrong reasons, and issues at stake were of too big a consequence and importance to be left for the electorate to decide. I do however accept democracy and would hope which ever government is in power in the next 5 -10 years they would not capitulate to inequitable terms of exit... The EU However is going to make an example of us and hang us out to dry, there's no way we can be seen to come out of this mess with a advantage over remaining members....its just not going to happen. The financial Armageddon has slowly started and its only going to get worse from now on.. Within a year Diesel and petrol £1.50 - £1.70 a litre ? Inflation up 3-4 % It should be apparent to anyone who has even the basic understanding of economics that the extremes of our fiscal fortunes and the risks associated with global market trade were to some extent protected and manageable while we were part of the EU...... Not any more. I don't think we can rely heavily on America either and should perhaps look to the Far East and particularly Asia and India for future investment and trade opportunity. The problem is of course increased free trade agreements with these countries would mean relaxed restrictions on immigration similarly. So we are in a bit of a catch 22 situation. The ideal scenario would be to remain in the EU and negotiate hard for the concessions on immigration and autonomy which we all want. I fear this is going to be a very long last dance indeed. Petrol was £1.40 a litre in 2007-8 and nobody blamed us being in the EU for it then. The world price of oil won't change because we voted for brexit. Our long term financial security is much safer out of EU if we are not having to pay the heavy price for other countries mismanagement of their economies. There will be no financial Armageddon, why would there be? Leaving is a win/win situation for us financially, sure things will change, but nobody can demonstrate how we will be worse off. The advantage for us of the so called free market is appearing now to be a myth. It only favours the net exporting countries and that's not us. Edited October 13, 2016 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 Think the "FREE" market is a bit of a falso name... How much did it cost a week to be part of the "free" trade deal.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 Think the "FREE" market is a bit of a falso name... How much did it cost a week to be part of the "free" trade deal.... EXACTLY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrM Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 Petrol was £1.40 a litre in 2007-8 and nobody blamed us being in the EU for it then. The world price of oil won't change because we voted for brexit. Our long term financial security is much safer out of EU if we are not having to pay the heavy price for other countries mismanagement of their economies. There will be no financial Armageddon, why would there be? Leaving is a win/win situation for us financially, sure things will change, but nobody can demonstrate how we will be worse off. The advantage for us of the so called free market is appearing now to be a myth. It only favours the net exporting countries and that's not us. Picking up on a couple of your points there, for clarification: True, oil prices probably wont be affected by us leaving the EU - however due to the falling pound the cost of the oil we buy will go up as we pay in dollars. Oil is being held low at the moment due to the over supply from Russia. We still are and will be a member of the IMF, which is one of the mechanisms for bailing out failing economies - being out of the EU won't change that. As we weren't in the Eurozone we were not required to provide additional bailouts to failing EU countries such as Greece, aside from our duties through the IMF Its true we are a current net importer - we export around $450bn dollars of goods and import roughly $650bn dollars worth. The short term issue here is again the fact the pound has fallen against the dollar - thus our imports are going to be quite a bit higher over the coming months. Look at the Tesco/Unilever stand-off this week as an example. The reason the effect hasn't started yet is that we forward buy - so current goods were bought before the pound slide. Personally I believe as I've said before we are going to be in for a rough few years, whilst we build up new trade partners within the next maybe 6-8 years. I also think that by then the EU itself will be drastically different. Armageddon - maybe not - tough times - most likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achosenman Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) Not much of a democracy if the majority vote of the people is overturned. I didn't realise that when we first joined the EU, we effectively turned our back on free trading with the commonwealth, now with BREXIT, if it ever happens properly, we can again freely trade with the commonwealth. I have my own theory that the EU has a 'role' for each member state and that, that the UK or rather London, was the financial powerhouse but to the expense that they destroyed our other manual and skilled work forces and that those skills where divided amongst other member states, i.e. destroyed our own energy (most of our electrical power comes in from France esp at peak times), divided up the skilled workforce and effectively allowed other countries to allow their workforces to do the labour or semi-skilled jobs in the UK. Whilst in the EU we do have to rely on other countries to supply us commodities and people. Point in hand is the offshore industry, most vessels whom operate in the North Sea have to have techies from Poland or elsewhere and another example is small airlines, UK owned but hire Dutch pilots. My brother went for that particular role and was told he didn't get the job since they were hiring Dutch people, that was from a small UK airline freighter company, well after BREXIT, they will have to employ their own people. Engineers are in short supply in the UK but I believe it is due to lack of investment in our own workforces and school leavers, since it's easier to import those skills, it appears each country has its own role in the EU to the detriment of the home 'state'. This is only my theory. Sorry mate but being "in the trade" I know the parlous state of relevantly qualified and experienced pilots. No company is turning down the holy grail of a type rated and experienced pilot, regardless of the nationality. If your brother lost out it was because there was someone more attractive and available to the employer. This situation may not apply to your brother, but there is a glut of newbies out there with a shiny new licence and 200 hrs from the likes of training organisations like CTC etc. They are finding out that fifteen seconds in a 737 sim and 200 actual hours in a Seneca doesn't hack it, despite what they were told when they paid for the training. Atb Edited October 14, 2016 by achosenman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon69 Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 Respose from my MP Looks like Carney will be staying for a bit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 never mind all that..........do yer see what tony bloody blair is up to now.....................he is becoming a dangerous ...greedy...arrogant............well you know what............ got away scott free on chilcott......so he is laughing his front off now..............."nobody can touch me attitude".................god i would love to see him come to a sticky end and his wife...the one that has the face of a letterbox.........hell would freeze over before anything happened to him.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 never mind all that..........do yer see what tony bloody blair is up to now.....................he is becoming a dangerous ...greedy...arrogant............well you know what............ got away scott free on chilcott......so he is laughing his front off now..............."nobody can touch me attitude".................god i would love to see him come to a sticky end and his wife...the one that has the face of a letterbox.........hell would freeze over before anything happened to him.. Just dont get it... How did he get out of anything... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon69 Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 never mind all that..........do yer see what tony bloody blair is up to now.....................he is becoming a dangerous ...greedy...arrogant............well you know what............ got away scott free on chilcott......so he is laughing his front off now..............."nobody can touch me attitude".................god i would love to see him come to a sticky end and his wife...the one that has the face of a letterbox.........hell would freeze over before anything happened to him.. whats he up to now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 whats he up to now? Pushing for another in out referendum because we may have changed our minds. And telling the remain voters to keep fighting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon69 Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 Pushing for another in out referendum because we may have changed our minds. And telling the remain voters to keep fighting it. So if the EU folds(partly due to Brexit), then i presume the job of Middle Eastern peace envoy, made by the EU, will not longer exist? So his job will no longer exist and his means to amass another +£20million will no longer exist! Are people really that stupid, that they cant work out, that the majority of "influential" people who are pro remain, want to remain because their cash cow will disappear if we dont? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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