button Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 Hoping you can help, know I have seen this in the past but couldnt find past thread. I have seen a gun advertised and its a private sale, issue is 400 miles away so need to do it via rfds. How do we do it and whats the process, ie who enters it on my cert, when i notify police, who do I say I obtained it from? Any help and advice greatly appreciated. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B25Modelman Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) The method I used in January, successfully, was wrong according to others so I have removed it. Edited October 31, 2016 by B25Modelman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 The above is not how it is meant to be done! what is meant to happen is you contact your rdf and make sure they will accept delivery then send the seller the money, the details of your rdf and your SGC. The seller should then enter the details on to your sgc and return it to you. He then sends the gun to your rdf, you go in to the rdf show your completed certificated pay he his fee and leave with your new gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B25Modelman Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) The above is not how it is meant to be done! what is meant to happen is you contact your rdf and make sure they will accept delivery then send the seller the money, the details of your rdf and your SGC. The seller should then enter the details on to your sgc and return it to you. He then sends the gun to your rdf, you go in to the rdf show your completed certificated pay he his fee and leave with your new gun I understood guns had to go RFD to RFD. Edited October 31, 2016 by B25Modelman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 The seller has to fill in the buyer`s certificate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 Purchased my double rifle from Margate,had it shipped to my 'friendly' RFD. Had a cup of coffee whilst he filled in the details and printed a notification letter for my Licensing Office, which I posted in. No problems and no comments from Licensing office. Problem being each and every Licensing office have their own made up little rules, so simply give them a call. In fact e mail them, then you have an e mail bacvk confirming what the system is. Job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 Like this https://basc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2014/08/REMOTE-FIREARMS-TRANSACTIONS2.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) Right or wrong I have done it many times this way over the last 2 years. Seller takes gun to his RFD, this RFD then sends the gun to your RFD, you then check the gun over and ,if all is well, your RFD puts said gun onto your Cert, payment is then made by whatever means was agreed in the first place. You should agree with the seller before the gun is "posted" who pays for return costs if the gun is not suitable and the sale doesn't go ahead. Pretty sure, reading some of the posts on here, that my way is wrong but I have done it this way many times. Edited October 31, 2016 by bruno22rf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 Only if both RFDs agree and don't mind doing it wrong, less appear to want to do it the wrong way now perhaps it has taken time for the correct way to get known also a job for the receiving RFD to charge for his services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 Right or wrong I have done it many times this way over the last 2 years. Seller takes gun to his RFD, this RFD then sends the gun to your RFD, you then check the gun over and ,if all is well, your RFD puts said gun onto your Cert, payment is then made by whatever means was agreed in the first place. You should agree with the seller before the gun is "posted" who pays for return costs if the gun is not suitable and the sale doesn't go ahead. Pretty sure, reading some of the posts on here, that my way is wrong but I have done it this way many times. That would only work if the seller agrees to send a gun over for inspection without any payment, I certainly wouldn't. RFDing guns is a great idea but can only work when both parties are honest, the seller with his accurate description and the buyer not making a fuss over small imperfections commensurate with age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 Hoping you can help, know I have seen this in the past but couldnt find past thread. I have seen a gun advertised and its a private sale, issue is 400 miles away so need to do it via rfds. How do we do it and whats the process, ie who enters it on my cert, when i notify police, who do I say I obtained it from? Any help and advice greatly appreciated. Thanks. May i ask what part of scotland your from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 The above is not how it is meant to be done! what is meant to happen is you contact your rdf and make sure they will accept delivery then send the seller the money, the details of your rdf and your SGC. The seller should then enter the details on to your sgc and return it to you. He then sends the gun to your rdf, you go in to the rdf show your completed certificated pay he his fee and leave with your new gun You don't have to send your SGC to seller.. firstly you sort out how payment details are to be done then... He takes the gun into his rfd who then sends to your rfd and he puts it on your ticket... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 pm webber on here he,s an rfd, did one for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) You don't have to send your SGC to seller.. firstly you sort out how payment details are to be done then... He takes the gun into his rfd who then sends to your rfd and he puts it on your ticket... Unfortunately doing that would be in breach of instruction 3 of all certificates and breaking the law. As the seller you have to enter the details on table 2 shotguns transferred on the buyer’s certificate and inform the chief of police. It is very specific about it and quite clearly says the dealer handing over the gun should not complete the table or notify the police, just look on your own certificate. As the buyer you are also legally compelled by the same instruction. Edited October 31, 2016 by timps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 well right or wrong my mate has just sold his 6.5 X55 finnlight the way i stated and that was what he was told by his feo he's in North Yorkshire.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 Then the FEO is wrong, you have to abide by the instructions on your certificate and they are legally binding, the FEO has no authority to countermand them, it quite clearly says on everybody’s certificate. “If you are selling a firearm [or shotgun] which will be sent or posted to another dealer for the buyer to collect in person you should complete this table and notify the police. The dealer who actually hands over the firearm should not complete the table or notify the police (except in circumstances which may require police investigation as above).” While your mates FEO might be happy the OP’s FEO might not be, either way one way is against the law and one way isn’t regardless of anyone’s opinion. Some areas are now cracking down on it and informing RFD's they will be in trouble if they do it some don't seem to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 RFD TO RFD.. Then it is signed onto your ticket from YOUR RFD. So if your RFD Sells you a gun its illegal,,tosh. Do it this way... Been done like it for donkeys years.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 Have a word with the seller and your RFD, then do it the way they advise. Personally I'll do it the easiest way possible; if my licensing authority tell me it's wrong then they can pick though the bones of all the documented 'wrong practices' they're responsible for in my ( and that of others ) renewal process. If they want to cherry pick which bits of legislation applies to them, them so will I, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) It does make me laugh, the OP asks the correct and obviously legal way to do it. The answer is given with written back up from BASC and the fact it is actually written on everyone’s certificate for everyone to check. Then the debate starts, the thing is it is entirely up to each individual how they want to do something but there is the correct legal way and there is the incorrect illegal way. The OP can choose whichever way he wants, it’s his call, but it is only fair to warn him of the legalities so he can way up the risk. On the last thread about this subject an RFD posted that he always used to do it by filling in the certificate. However at his last RFD renewal he was told that it was incorrect and if he carried out any more transactions that way then his RFD Certificate would be revoked. So not exactly tosh, no matter how many times it has been done in the past it is against the instructions on your certificate and therefore illegal if you don't follow them… Edited October 31, 2016 by timps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 Yeah, it makes me laugh too. The entire thing is a farce. we have all manner of illegal practices carried out by the very people who are tasked to license us, yet they advocate we carry out transactions by the law. If you're so concerned perhaps it may be worth your while to contact the relevant bodies concerned; god knows our representational bodies can't seem to get things sorted. Pointing out the way things should be done is easy; getting others to comply by the very standard those in authority preach we should adhere to is another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted October 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 May i ask what part of scotland your from. Edinburgh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 To be honest I am not concerned at all, I am only answering a question a poster asked and BASC already tell its members how it should be done. I do, however, feel it is only fair when someone asks a question to point out how it legally should be done. If other suggestions are against the law as written however stupid the law is I feel it should be pointed out to the OP as well. No matter how inept your firearms department is, it doesn’t get you off the hook regards the law unless their ineptness is the reason for your transgression in the first place. The OP can make his own mind up but at least he knows how it should be done which was his original question, how he chooses to proceed or how anyone else chooses to do it is not my concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 I'm sorry to say timps is right, as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 I'm sorry to say timps is right, as usual. Yes, he is, as the transaction is defined by legislation. However, rather than being inept, I will take advantage of any means which plays to my benefit for as long as those in authority do so. I am in breach of the terms of my expired tickets as we speak; am I going to point this out to the authorities responsible? What do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 Do not like the thought of sending my tickets to some one I've never met to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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