guest1957 Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Depending on the outcome of an appeal, it seems proper process may need to be followed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Depending on the outcome of an appeal, it seems proper process may need to be followed... What is proper process - telling your opponent what you'll accept before you start to negotiate and delay the start by petty fogging in parliament by those with a vested interest to stay in. In other words MPs want to ignore the electorate (again) and feather there their own nests -particularly the unelectable like comrades Corbyn and Abbot and what is left of the limp damps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted November 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 What is proper process - telling your opponent what you'll accept before you start to negotiate and delay the start by petty fogging in parliament by those with a vested interest to stay in. In other words MPs want to ignore the electorate (again) and feather there their own nests -particularly the unelectable like comrades Corbyn and Abbot and what is left of the limp damps. Proper process is parliamentary sovereignty, which is the bedrock of this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Proper process is parliamentary sovereignty, which is the bedrock of this country. Isn't Parliament there to deliver the will of the people, not the will of Parliament? if Parliament cant/wont deliver the will of the people, surely the government must! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 How much longer will this go on for? We still have not initiated article 50! will we be out of the giant white elephant by 2025? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) I am in a bit of a dilemma with this as in many ways I do not think that it should all be down to one person Ie the PM we are supposed to a democratic country so it should be parliament that decides these things but on the other hand I just do not trust them as for the most part they do not represent the real thoughts of us even though we voted for them. Edited November 3, 2016 by four-wheel-drive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 A winter of discontent is looming.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 I am in a bit of a dilemma with this as in many ways I do not think that it should all be down to one person Ie the PM we are supposed to a democratic country so it should be parliament that decides these things but on the other hand I just do not trust them as for the most part they do not represent the real thoughts of us even though we voted for them. Did you though ? If you voted in the election,was the MP you voted for elected? If not ,then you are not really represented are you? Thats why the referendum was a popular vote by the people,everyone who bothered to vote got counted. And thats why trying to disrupt that vote is so wrong. Hopefully common sense will prevail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Did you though ? If you voted in the election,was the MP you voted for elected? If not ,then you are not really represented are you? Thats why the referendum was a popular vote by the people,everyone who bothered to vote got counted. And thats why trying to disrupt that vote is so wrong. Hopefully common sense will prevail. I hope so too, but unfortunately it is no longer common. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 The referendum was sanctioned by parliament and the will of the people was made clear. If parliament does anything more that formally ratify the referendum there will be so much trouble it will never end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adge Cutler Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Depending on the outcome of an appeal, it seems proper process may need to be followed... That's Democracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) That's Democracy The referendum was democracy, this is an attempt to hijack the process. Whatever your views on in or out, you cannot describe this as anything other than a hijack Edited November 3, 2016 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) Democracy is an alien concept to the Bremainers. It is a word to be trotted out when things go against you. Theresa May has staked her future on this. Does anyone honestly think she will back down? I don't. Edited November 3, 2016 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 I hope Parlaiment go with the majority vote of the people who they gave the vote to,its the only just way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted November 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 If the Court were to have ruled the other way, the constitutional implications in relation to other matters could have been massive. I think some reading of the judgment is needed: https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/judgment-r-miller-v-secretary-of-state-for-exiting-the-eu-20161103.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 That's Democracy It is indeed ,and reading the article through ,it would seem that the various parties on both sides of the argument want nothing more than to be involved more in the process. Even Labour have stated they will not hinder triggering article 50. To try to overturn the result is political suicide,and well they know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 It would be quite impossible for the Labour party to commit suicide as it is already dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adge Cutler Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 The referendum was democracy, this is an attempt to hijack the process. Whatever your views on in or out, you cannot describe this as anything other than a hijack Bit paranoid aren't we... you must be afraid, very afraid.. Surely you are not naïve enough to realise that the leaving process will take as long If not longer than the joining process ?..in fact may of us will be dead before it takes effect...if it ever does.. Like I said that's statute, passed by government by the democratic process , by Parliamentarians elected democratically by brexiters and bremainers alike. We wont ever really leave the European community.......Not in a million years. I hope Parlaiment go with the majority vote of the people who they gave the vote to,its the only just way. Yes they will ....democracy will prevail It would be quite impossible for the Labour party to commit suicide as it is already dead. Amen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) Our PMs have taken us into pointless wars many times killing lots of our solders and innocent people and mostly without asking parliament and when they did they got a bloody nose as the people do not want to get involved in all of these pointless wars. The problem with this is our MPs are sent to parliament not to do what we want but to represent us and that can be two different things altogether. Edited November 3, 2016 by four-wheel-drive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 UKIP must be laughing their socks off. From the shambles of a leadership election process, a few Bremainers have resurrected the party. Democracy - they couldn't spell it. As for all those who claim their motives were to get it debated in parliament, not stop or hinder it - I would need to see a polygraph strapped to their arm. I don't believe them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Bit paranoid aren't we... you must be afraid, very afraid.. Surely you are not naïve enough to realise that the leaving process will take as long If not longer than the joining process ?..in fact may of us will be dead before it takes effect...if it ever does.. Like I said that's statute, passed by government by the democratic process , by Parliamentarians elected democratically by brexiters and bremainers alike. We wont ever really leave the European community.......Not in a million years. Yes they will ....democracy will prevail Amen. Wishful thinking ,from a man who most certainly does not do politics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Depending on the outcome of an appeal, it seems proper process may need to be followed... If the remain voters had won by one vote would this be happening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 November 5th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 November 5th Come back Guy Fawkes all the forgiven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 If the remain voters had won by one vote would this be happening? No! Of course not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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