srspower Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 I filmed the first half of this video a year ago and finally finished it on Sunday, it is aimed at younger shooters who are considering buying a 20 bore shotgun. I was surprised how capable the 20 bore is compare to the 12. [VIDEO] [/VIDEO] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 I've not watched the video, but am slightly perplexed why you think a 20b is for youngsters. I'm also really perplexed why you thought a 20b was SO less capable than any other shotgun. Inexperience I guess at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 I've not watched the video, but am slightly perplexed why you think a 20b is for youngsters. I'm also really perplexed why you thought a 20b was SO less capable than any other shotgun. Inexperience I guess at And I'll second your comments. I've shot a 20ga for the last 40 odd years from Snipe to Canada Geese no problem even with the non toxic law 7/8oz Steel kills and kills very well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 The first 38seconds were enough for me had to stop watching then sorry, have to agree with the previous two posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoot and be safe Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 Great calibre that is very much underestimated and has a stigma of being only for the ladies and young shooters amongst us - Wrong. I love the little 20 I bought for the good lady. It is now my go to gun for driven days and I have brought down some challenging birds with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElvisThePelvis Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) The first 38seconds were enough for me had to stop watching then sorry, have to agree with the previous two posts. Helpful for some people confused about the capabilities of 20, interesting style though.. Edited November 29, 2016 by ElvisThePelvis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 Quite surprised with the performance of the 20b, still a girly Gun but surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 410 review is very much the same............ not much science and repeating stereotypical memes........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinchesterDave Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 (edited) Thank you for posting mate, and good on you for putting it on both YouTube and PW I watched it all, for what it was designed to do, and the audience you targeted, I thought it was really good; well done. Certainly a good comparison video for the 12 and 20 bores. Yes, more blokes are using 20 on driven days; i'd love one, personally. But I feel the video was there to reassure younger people, who don't have the physical stature for a 12, and whose father shoots a 12 and might feel a bit undergunned and at a disadvantage if they get a 20. So on that basis alone it was good:) One more thing.... sorry to go off topic but; what is the crack with ***********? I think 'English Shooting' YouTube channel did something on him? When I've watched Mikes videos I thought he came across as a very well spoken, knowledgable person. Dave Ps - just viewed my post and his name has appeared in stars haha? Why is it being blocked out automatically:s what's this guy been saying!? Edited November 30, 2016 by WinchesterDave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 How can you do an objective test when you're guessing the choke? It will help some people, but the choke issue blew it for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPCarter Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Why do people feel the need for harsh comments when they either haven't watched it or have only watched a few seconds? There's clearly a lot of work gone into this and if you've watched any of their other videos you'll see it's one of a series. It's clearly an introductory video for beginners and youngsters and it's a youth model 20 bore. I think it does a good job of debunking the myths about 20 bore which a lot of you seem to be saying it's perpetuating! Regarding the choke, he does say he's pretty sure they are both half choke and what are the chances of a 20 bore having 3/4 or full choke in the bottom barrel??? Pretty much zero I'd say. How many people have ever used a 20 bore full choke? lol It's a girls junior gun, I doubt she's been high pheasant shooting or wildfowling with it before they got it. It's patterning very tight for it to be 1/4 so half looks about right to me too. Keep up the good work I say! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 If it amuses some then where is the harm.as for the comments referring to 410/20 bores being junior or females guns I think he needs to do a little more research.i use a 410 for skeet and sometimes sporting.by no means a lesser gun.not judging by the straight rounds of skeet I have done with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 i`ve alittle to add... first you have selected 20gauge vs 12gauge with a cartridge loadings similar. the 32g loadings are a similar price... but the natural optimal loadings for gauge are 12ga-1,1/4-1,1/8oz, 20ga 1oz-7/8oz. the 20gauge 32g loads being a large or overly large load for the 20bore. if you were to test the shells that are natural for the gauges, the 20bore wouldnt be near as handy compared to the 12. second of all the 20bore is a great tool for very skilled shooters who want the faster handling charicteristics for relatively small targets instead of handling very large payloads. modern shells like your 32g 20 bore shells are quite large for the 20, especially at 1400fps+ where the 20 does shine is sub 1oz payloads, light easy to handle and even 25 grams of shot can do the business. (thats not to say the 12 cant, or the 28.) your test should have been 32g #5 in 12 vs 28g # 6 in the 20. thats more of a comparable test. third, the 65mm shell is a chassis for most game loads because of the wad height. 65mm, loads use 20mm fibre wads which are standard. the bigger loads are 70mm because they have more volume in slower burning powder, and larger shot, / payload. 4th. maybe with some different choke selections a 20bore could loose to a 12bore, in patterns ! whilst my reply isnt negative at all. i hope it would be positively taken. thanks for putting yourself out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPCarter Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Yes 32g is a very large load for a 20 bore but things have changed. With the development of cartridges and slightly heavier 20 bores, as they say in the video, recoil isn't a major problem. With an old lightweight 20 bore side by side it probably was best to stick to something like 25g loads but it's not a problem in modern guns. You get the power of a 12 bore in a much lighter and more compact package. Maybe in the days when 20 bore was a girly gun small loads were in favour for the ladies, but now we are treating it as a proper man's gun we should be upping the loads to shoulder breaking proportions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srspower Posted November 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Yes 32g is a very large load for a 20 bore but things have changed. With the development of cartridges and slightly heavier 20 bores, as they say in the video, recoil isn't a major problem. With an old lightweight 20 bore side by side it probably was best to stick to something like 25g loads but it's not a problem in modern guns. You get the power of a 12 bore in a much lighter and more compact package. Maybe in the days when 20 bore was a girly gun small loads were in favour for the ladies, but now we are treating it as a proper man's gun we should be upping the loads to shoulder breaking proportions! That's the thing I expected the 20 bore to have less power with 32 grams precisely because it still felt like nothing to shoot in terms of recoil compared to 32 grams in the 12 bore. Yet it still performed just as well. I was surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 (edited) That's the thing I expected the 20 bore to have less power with 32 grams precisely because it still felt like nothing to shoot in terms of recoil compared to 32 grams in the 12 bore. Yet it still performed just as well. I was surprised. Not sure why you keep talking about 'power'. Sorry, but I have to take issue with the title. There wasn't really anything explained. I have just watched your .410 video. Very little useful content. I regularly shoot 35 yard pigeons when out with my .410. You generally show ignorance with your 'explained' series. Why not mention the calibre's evolution over the years, what chamber lengths are available and in what make/model/type? Just to compare some random patterns with little regard for choke and shot size is pretty meaningless. I know you can do better. I like a size 8 for pigeon shooting with a .410 - great patterns at 30 yards. Edited November 30, 2016 by motty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldivalloch Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 I appreciate that some viewers will think it's churlish to criticise BUT the OP has offered this up as "20 Gauge Shotguns Explained". Except they're not, and there's just so much wrong with this video that I could hardly be bothered to watch. The repeated, "Take it away, Thomas!" really irritated. The best advice I can give the OP is to go away and read "Shotguns and Cartridges" by Gough Thomas. Read his other books, too. Yes, I know they were written donkey's years ago, but the general principles are timeless, and GT's testing was impeccably thorough. I don't think he would have done patterning tests on a gun without taking the trouble to establish its of choking! The whole point of going 20 bore is to enjoy a gun that is smaller than a 12 bore, lighter in weight than a 12 bore, firing a lighter load than a 12 bore. If you want a 7lb + gun shooting 32 gram cartridges - use a 12 bore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsDad Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 "The best advice I can give the OP is to go away and read "Shotguns and Cartridges" by Gough Thomas. Read his other books, too. Yes, I know they were written donkey's years ago, but the general principles are timeless, and GT's testing was impeccably thorough. I don't think he would have done patterning tests on a gun without taking the trouble to establish its of choking! " by Aldivalloch. There speaks a man after my own heart ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 I have 3 12's and a 20, I can consistently hit more with the 20 than the 12's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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