figgy Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Bet It worked wonders for his bowel movements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny long shanks Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 If this guy had done nothing wrong wrong then he shouldn't of had a problem with helping the police with their enquiries. He created the hostile situation. I hope it hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 And you know this how? I said they could have messed up not like they did, but she did mess up you are required to give a warning before using a taser not after like she did, apart from the matter if it was justified in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) Oh no your're not. f. Edited January 21, 2017 by Fuddster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) Yep! And I did say........if caught! That only works if there is anyone left to catch them, which, I feel is the reason so many drive like complete numbskulls, nobody left to catch them ! The same applies to 'back up' when an Officer is in a hostile situation. Edited January 21, 2017 by Westley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) Oh no your're not. f. I think you will find they are , do so research. Edited January 21, 2017 by ordnance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 No, you do some research. try sec 3 Criminal law act sec 117 pace Common Law nothing there about warnings Police are not required to give an oral warning before the discharge of a firearm.including taser. f. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) Wrong try again. Verbal warning and contact Officers shall give the clear verbal warning, ‘Taser, Taser’, indicating to all persons in the vicinity that Taser is being discharged. All officers should receive training in communicating with subjects. On first verbal contact, officers should normally: identify themselves as officers and state that they are equipped with Taser clarify who it is they are seeking to communicate with communicate in a clear and appropriate manner. Edited January 21, 2017 by ordnance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Whenever there is a situation like this the police should follow the conflict resolution model which basically means that any force should be kept to a minimum. It starts with verbal reasoning and goes all the way up to using firearms. Along the way, just before considering using a dog or your baton is the Taser. Taser's normally leave no lasting injuries. Part of the conflict resolution model is awareness of the suspect's size compared to the officers, their demeanour, any aggression, distance and other factors such as drink, drugs, weapons, etc. Had the police got a legal right to request his name? Of course they had. He resembled a suspect and all he needed to do to clarify the situation was show some ID. Instead he got stroppy and pushed the officer. If you are a 5 foot 4 female and faced with a large angry man then using the Taser is a viable option. Trying to wrestle a large man to the ground to be able to restrain him isn't as easy as some people might think. Even with two of you. Remember that you have to use police approved methods which are basically a joke. No street fighting methods allowed. Also to be considered is the chance of his escape and any likely interference from persons nearby. The Taser normally allows officers to quickly bring an aggressive suspect under control. And there are no lasting effects. For me, its reasonable force IF the officer can justify it. And that is a personal matter. Wrong try again. Verbal warning and contact Officers shall give the clear verbal warning, ‘Taser, Taser’, indicating to all persons in the vicinity that Taser is being discharged. All officers should receive training in communicating with subjects. On first verbal contact, officers should normally: identify themselves as officers and state that they are equipped with Taser clarify who it is they are seeking to communicate with communicate in a clear and appropriate manner. Warnings are advisory and not mandatory. Whether you use one depends on the circumstances. Sometimes there isn't time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 recommendations only as per the manual of guidance on the police use of firearms. I take it you've read the full version. comparable to brushing your teeth twice a day or indicating when changing lane. please don't compare real life with your cut and pastes. f. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobba Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 I think you will find they are , do so research. No, you do some research. try sec 3 Criminal law act sec 117 pace Common Law nothing there about warnings Police are not required to give an oral warning before the discharge of a firearm. f. Referee here.!! I did some research and googled the Q of whether an oral warning should be given. Irrespective of whether it's law or not you will find that various forces provide Taser Guidelines as part of their Police manual. Example is Medford Police dept Policy 309. This clearly requires officers to give a verbal warning unless doing so places the officer in danger or is impractical in the circumstances. This impracticality clause is obviously their get out of jail card! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph5172 Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) Wrong try again. Verbal warning and contact Officers shall give the clear verbal warning, ‘Taser, Taser’, indicating to all persons in the vicinity that Taser is being discharged. All officers should receive training in communicating with subjects. On first verbal contact, officers should normally: identify themselves as officers and state that they are equipped with Taser clarify who it is they are seeking to communicate with communicate in a clear and appropriate manner. There is nothing in the APP that states a warning MUST be given Edited January 21, 2017 by ph5172 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 I doubt that this person was in the mood for "Once upon a time" ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 There is nothing in the APP that states a warning MUST be given Then why did the APP give the advice I posted, just for the fun of it. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
termin8r Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Referee here.!! I did some research and googled the Q of whether an oral warning should be given. Irrespective of whether it's law or not you will find that various forces provide Taser Guidelines as part of their Police manual. Example is Medford Police dept Policy 309. This clearly requires officers to give a verbal warning unless doing so places the officer in danger or is impractical in the circumstances. This impracticality clause is obviously their get out of jail card! Why would you think that the policies of an American police force should have any bearing on things that happen in the UK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Perhaps as he was an "adviser" to the police he thought he was above the law, didn't have to comply and that pushing a police officer was perfectly acceptable. Now he knows that isn't the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) At least it was not a blind man with a white stick they tasered in the back this time. Then why did the APP give the advice I posted, just for the fun of it. ? Its their advice to police in some cases a warning can not be given but not in this case. Edited January 21, 2017 by ordnance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 the police come in for a lot of criticism mostly unfair.we want them to protect us and then slam them when they do.strange world really. Exactly this... And as I said early on in this thread, if he is meant to be someone who advises and is meant to converse with the likes of the council and police, why did he not produce ID and make that situation a standard chat with two police officers doing their job.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Then why did the APP give the advice I posted, just for the fun of it. ? You haven't posted anything that says the warning must be given This is what you posted: On first verbal contact, officers should normally: identify themselves as officers and state that they are equipped with Taser clarify who it is they are seeking to communicate with communicate in a clear and appropriate manner. Should normally. Not must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 is that the best you can come up with now your contributions have been shown to be flawed. or was it cut and pasted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) You haven't posted anything that says the warning must be given This is what you posted: Should normally. Not must. I didn't say a warning must be given, obviously there are circumstances that a warning can not be given. In this case there was time and opportunity for a warning to be given, I hope her defence is not I just decided to ignore the training and advice I was given. Edited January 21, 2017 by ordnance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 I said they could have messed up not like they did, but she did mess up you are required to give a warning before using a taser not after like she did, apart from the matter if it was justified in the first place. I didn't say a warning must be given, obviously there are circumstances that a warning can not be given. In this case there was time and opportunity for a warning to be given, I hope her defence is not I just decided to ignore the training and advice I was given. So many of your posts have been edited it is hard to see what you have and are not now claiming to have said. But the two quotes above show what you did say and what you are now saying. You are not required to give a warning before using a Taser. Sometimes the situation does not allow for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Referee here.!! I did some research and googled the Q of whether an oral warning should be given. Irrespective of whether it's law or not you will find that various forces provide Taser Guidelines as part of their Police manual. Example is Medford Police dept Policy 309. This clearly requires officers to give a verbal warning unless doing so places the officer in danger or is impractical in the circumstances. This impracticality clause is obviously their get out of jail card! Guidelines are guidelines..........not a requirement! Let's face it our police firearms licensing depts have home office guidelines to work to..........but the regularly ignore them without any apparant accountability! So argueably.......they are not a requirement! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) So many of your posts have been edited it is hard to see what you have and are not now claiming to have said. But the two quotes above show what you did say and what you are now saying. You are not required to give a warning before using a Taser. Sometimes the situation does not allow for it. I will make it simple the guidance from the APP states a warning should be given where appropriate, you can as in this case choose to ignore the advice and say you just decided to ignore the guidance and training you received, and some on Pigeon Watch said it was ok so it must be ok. Edited January 21, 2017 by ordnance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 if anyone's free to assist.I need some goal posts moving. to me to you to me. f. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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