Brexit Solution

[pigeon controller]

This is just my observation of the intended five year negotiations of us leaving the E U. At the end of March we raise article 50 and then say we want to be treated the same as Switzerland who are not in the E.U but in my opinion are not stupid and trade with the rest of the Europe and the World.

 

Over to the PW massive to prove I'm too simplistic ??

[old'un]

Switzerland as made lots of concessions to the EU and I think freedom of movement from EU countries is one of them.

[Vince Green]

The single market is not worth anything to the UK. They export about 70 billion pounds more to us than we export to them and the deficit is growing. It is no value to us. Its just money pouring out of the country and it doesn't come back

 

It has cost so many jobs in steel, mining, farming etc due to unfair competition. Whats the real cost of cheap tomatoes and cucumbers?

 

If we leave and just walk away then yes, prices will go up at the checkout and probably our utility bills but the money will be staying in this country and will, in time, provide jobs for our kids.

 

We need to just walk away from it all and cut our losses.

 

We don't need cheap labour but the Eastern European countries need our jobs. They will come to us, they have to

Edited January 30, 2017 by Vince Green

[besty57]

The single market is not worth anything to the UK. They export about 70 billion pounds more to us than we export to them and the deficit is growing. It is no value to us. Its just money pouring out of the country and it doesn't come back

 

It has cost so many jobs in steel, mining, farming etc due to unfair competition. Whats the real cost of cheap tomatoes and cucumbers?

 

If we leave and just walk away then yes, prices will go up at the checkout and probably our utility bills but the money will be staying in this country and will, in time, provide jobs for our kids.

 

We need to just walk away from it all and cut our losses.

 

We don't need cheap labour but the Eastern European countries need our jobs. They will come to us, they have to

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[Harry Callahan]

The single market is not worth anything to the UK. They export about 70 billion pounds more to us than we export to them and the deficit is growing. It is no value to us. Its just money pouring out of the country and it doesn't come back

 

It has cost so many jobs in steel, mining, farming etc due to unfair competition. Whats the real cost of cheap tomatoes and cucumbers?

 

If we leave and just walk away then yes, prices will go up at the checkout and probably our utility bills but the money will be staying in this country and will, in time, provide jobs for our kids.

 

We need to just walk away from it all and cut our losses.

 

We don't need cheap labour but the Eastern European countries need our jobs. They will come to us, they have to

 

Agriculture needs an export market. It is our EU membership keeping farming alive in the UK as it's clear as hell Westminster want to import cheap food - not have it produced here.

[AVB]

Agriculture needs an export market. It is our EU membership keeping farming alive in the UK as it's clear as hell Westminster want to import cheap food - not have it produced here.

I think you will find it's the consumer (us) who want cheap food not Westminster.

[pigeon controller]

I'll take as a NO then.

[Harry Callahan]

I think you will find it's the consumer (us) who want cheap food not Westminster.

You mean you. I'm a farmer.

 

I know how Govt treats us (farmers) and what they think of UK food production. Westminster - cross party - has no appetite for UK food production, and is happy to see multi national companies import cheap and profiteer. It's called globalisation, and we have to compete on the free market.

As far as UK agriculture is concerned, the weak £ is the only good coming from EU exit so far, because it's driving up prices at export.

[AVB]

You mean you. I'm a farmer.

 

I know how Govt treats us (farmers) and what they think of UK food production. Westminster - cross party - has no appetite for UK food production, and is happy to see multi national companies import cheap and profiteer. It's called globalisation, and we have to compete on the free market.

As far as UK agriculture is concerned, the weak £ is the only good coming from EU exit so far, because it's driving up prices at export.

I'll concede that you know far, far more than me in respect of farming. However, how many times have you seen various promotions to buy local food either because of food miles (various) or animal welfare (chickens/pigs), or farmer profitability (milk) and how many of these have been successful? Few because average Joe on the street buys the cheapest they can get their hands on.

 

I don't know the answer but State subsidies rarely help in the long run. Out of interest what would you do given the chance?

[Rewulf]

You mean you. I'm a farmer.

 

I know how Govt treats us (farmers) and what they think of UK food production. Westminster - cross party - has no appetite for UK food production, and is happy to see multi national companies import cheap and profiteer. It's called globalisation, and we have to compete on the free market.

As far as UK agriculture is concerned, the weak £ is the only good coming from EU exit so far, because it's driving up prices at export.

 

Do you not buy food from supermarkets sometimes then?

Because youre a farmer does that mean you dont buy imported goods?

I think part of Brexit is to try to make the UK a bit more self sufficient in all goods.

CAP will just take a different form at the end of the day,and no one wants to see any business fail because of Brexit ,especially our farms.

Well, I say no one ,maybe the 'I told you so' brigade.

[Harry Callahan]

 

Do you not buy food from supermarkets sometimes then?

Because youre a farmer does that mean you dont buy imported goods?

I think part of Brexit is to try to make the UK a bit more self sufficient in all goods.

CAP will just take a different form at the end of the day,and no one wants to see any business fail because of Brexit ,especially our farms.

Well, I say no one ,maybe the 'I told you so' brigade.

 

He said the consumer wants cheap food. I would pay more for UK produce, and do where I can... without paying through the nose. (alot of these farm shops are pricing squarely at the middle-classes, and well off. Fair play to them, but they are not real prices.)

 

If the UK defaults/runs out of time on the EU negotiations - we will revert to WTO rules. You will see a raise in prices of 20% on food, overnight.

 

 

Re. subsidising. You fail to grasp why food is subsidised - which is for 2 reasons.

 

1: to guarantee a food supply to the population, at affordable prices. (Westminster now believes this can be done by imports instead).

 

2. Food production is literally in the lap ofthe god's. No other industry relys on something totally out of our own control - the weather. Subsidies were supposed to reward you in the good years, to keep you going in the bad. Things are no different today, as they were when 'subs were first introduced in the 60's.

 

Up until 2005 subsidising food production worked well. But sadly, it is a WTO agreement which we (the UK as part of the EU - our politicians voted to pass the agreement) signed upto why subsidies are no longer coupled to production.

 

Michael Gove promised cheap food as part of his Leave campaign. The only way that can be delivered is by continued subsidisation of UK agriculture, or take the easy option and import.

 

Take TESCO example with their NZ lamb - when UK lamb is plenty available. Stack it high and sell it cheap. UK government has no spine to protect its own.

[oowee]

Interesting that the Swiss have put significant resources here to circumvent EU financial services controls. UK has played a major part for the EU in setting rules and has supported blocking the Swiss. Now the boot will be on the other foot lol.

 

Britain’s trade surplus in financial services of £63bn in 2015, was more than the combined surpluses of the next three leading countries (US, Switzerland and Luxembourg).

 

This paper from Kent Uni is interesting.

[UKPoacher]

Forget the Swiss arrangement and forget the Norwegian arrangement. Bother those countries need the EU more than the EU needs them. The UK is in a unique position and that is why we will get a better deal. No other country in the EU has the leverage that the UK has.

[Rewulf]

He said the consumer wants cheap food. I would pay more for UK produce, and do where I can... without paying through the nose. (alot of these farm shops are pricing squarely at the middle-classes, and well off. Fair play to them, but they are not real prices.)

 

If the UK defaults/runs out of time on the EU negotiations - we will revert to WTO rules. You will see a raise in prices of 20% on food, overnight.

 

 

Re. subsidising. You fail to grasp why food is subsidised - which is for 2 reasons.

 

1: to guarantee a food supply to the population, at affordable prices. (Westminster now believes this can be done by imports instead).

 

2. Food production is literally in the lap ofthe god's. No other industry relys on something totally out of our own control - the weather. Subsidies were supposed to reward you in the good years, to keep you going in the bad. Things are no different today, as they were when 'subs were first introduced in the 60's.

 

Up until 2005 subsidising food production worked well. But sadly, it is a WTO agreement which we (the UK as part of the EU - our politicians voted to pass the agreement) signed upto why subsidies are no longer coupled to production.

 

Michael Gove promised cheap food as part of his Leave campaign. The only way that can be delivered is by continued subsidisation of UK agriculture, or take the easy option and import.

 

Take TESCO example with their NZ lamb - when UK lamb is plenty available. Stack it high and sell it cheap. UK government has no spine to protect its own.

 

I agree with what you are saying in principle,but why should home produced food cost so much more than imported,especially lamb!

Im also not saying its the farmers fault, but you have answered your own question really ,if we get hit with WTO tarrifs ,will it not make it better for UK farmers and consumers to buy British?

To me Brexit is forcing the issue of self sufficiency in this country,and that cant be a bad thing,and should be especially good for farmers.

[UKPoacher]

 

I agree with what you are saying in principle,but why should home produced food cost so much more than imported,especially lamb!

Im also not saying its the farmers fault, but you have answered your own question really ,if we get hit with WTO tarrifs ,will it not make it better for UK farmers and consumers to buy British?

To me Brexit is forcing the issue of self sufficiency in this country,and that cant be a bad thing,and should be especially good for farmers.

 

The EU is a protectionist organisation. All these rules and regulations the CE type approval and the like are all designed to stop the small guys from producing something cheaper and better than the big guys so the big guys can charge what they want.

[clakk]

New Zealand lost its farm subsidy when the EU stopped us trading with them directly and chucked import duty,s on them .What did they do they hitched up their britches and went a selling world wide .The survivors have prospered and loss of subsidy hasnt been the end of their world but it was the spark to take stock and diversify and hopefully our farmer,s will do the same its a big old world and it,s hungry

[Harry Callahan]

 

I agree with what you are saying in principle,but why should home produced food cost so much more than imported,especially lamb!

Im also not saying its the farmers fault, but you have answered your own question really ,if we get hit with WTO tarrifs ,will it not make it better for UK farmers and consumers to buy British?

To me Brexit is forcing the issue of self sufficiency in this country,and that cant be a bad thing,and should be especially good for farmers.

Because it is the current subsidies which keep UK food at a cheap(ER) price. NZ lamb is cheaper then UK lamb - and that's AFTER it's been shipped half way round the world!! The supermarkets fill up with cheap NZ lamb when our own produce hits the markets, to flood our domestic market and kill the price. When TESCO offer 50% off on a leg of lamb, or buy 1 get 1 free on pork or chicken they are STILL making a profit because they have shafted the producer. Our govt. - the only ones with a boot big enough to keep these ******** in check - turn a blind eye and let the supermarkets ride roughshot over UK businesses. You think that will change after Brexit?? It's called globalisation.

 

Mark my words, we will have to compete or die. The Tory's closed the mines because they could import it cheaper from Russia. We are the next industry in line to suffer.

 

Retailer's never pass on their profits. How much would it cost to buy 20kg of lamb? £25/kg on the label... compared to what the farmer is paid - currently £3.40/kg for that same 20kg!

 

Brexit is not forcing the issue of self sufficiency. NZ and Australia are jumping up and down, desperate to get trade deals done with us (they can't though, because we are still in the EU and must wait till we do exit) - they want to secure the trade they already have to supply the UK with cheap lamb. Cheap food = Mays "good deal for the UK". What don't you understand about that?

[oowee]

Retailer's never pass on their profits.??

They do to shareholders

 

I here from the Brexit negotiators that a Pork carcass has at least 30+ different tariffs to be applied under WTO rules. We could be eating more of our own meat very soon.

[figgy]

O farmer should get subsidies. Farm the land and produce food, let's get a proper uk market going again.

 

I think we should just up and leave, business will sort itself out as always, if they want our goods they will buy them same as we do with theirs. Sod any agreements or anything else they want us to concede we're leaving as in gone bye bye get on with your euro and all the sponging economies your paying out to.

[figgy]

Because it is the current subsidies which keep UK food at a cheap(ER) price. NZ lamb is cheaper then UK lamb - and that's AFTER it's been shipped half way round the world!! The supermarkets fill up with cheap NZ lamb when our own produce hits the markets, to flood our domestic market and kill the price. When TESCO offer 50% off on a leg of lamb, or buy 1 get 1 free on pork or chicken they are STILL making a profit because they have shafted the producer. Our govt. - the only ones with a boot big enough to keep these ******** in check - turn a blind eye and let the supermarkets ride roughshot over UK businesses. You think that will change after Brexit?? It's called globalisation.

Mark my words, we will have to compete or die. The Tory's closed the mines because they could import it cheaper from Russia. We are the next industry in line to suffer.

Retailer's never pass on their profits. How much would it cost to buy 20kg of lamb? £25/kg on the label... compared to what the farmer is paid - currently £3.40/kg for that same 20kg!

Brexit is not forcing the issue of self sufficiency. NZ and Australia are jumping up and down, desperate to get trade deals done with us (they can't though, because we are still in the EU and must wait till we do exit) - they want to secure the trade they already have to supply the UK with cheap lamb. Cheap food = Mays "good deal for the UK". What don't you understand about that?

So let me get this right lambs and sheep eat grass which grows as a crop or wild on moorland etc the lambs grow and then get sent to market, but New Zealand lamb can be transported everyone along the chain makes a profit and it's still cheaper. Hmm something is not adding up.

[Harry Callahan]

So let me get this right lambs and sheep eat grass which grows as a crop or wild on moorland etc the lambs grow and then get sent to market, but New Zealand lamb can be transported everyone along the chain makes a profit and it's still cheaper. Hmm something is not adding up.

 

That is a stupidly simplistic view.

 

 

But hey, if you think you know better. Get some land and show us how to do it!

[pigeon controller]

All I'm aware of is negotiating via a committee will just not prove to be effective . The way forward is to be clean cut and leave , we are being told it could take a minimum of five years to break free . The Second World War was approx that length of time and we changed lots of things via a coalition government. This negotiations will be with political sniping so will be longer . God help us!!!!!

[UKPoacher]

This thing about the UK not being allowed to start negotiations until the Brexit is completed is nonsense IMO. Do you think that the German car makers are going to put 20% of their production lines on hold after the Brexit? Or the Spanish farmers who would be losing a major part of their business? Are the Italian white goods producers going to get bridging loans to get them by until a trade deal is negotiated? Of course not. Businesses will put pressure on their politicians who will in turn whip the EU into shape. It will be business as usual.

[Old farrier]

Simple

 

Clear your desks get back to the uk stop writing the cheques and shut down the border

 

Ok I've just exited Europe

 

I bet it wouldn't take 5 years to sort out a trade deal

 

 

 

Just my thoughts

All the best

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[Fisheruk]

Simple

Clear your desks get back to the uk stop writing the cheques and shut down the border

Ok I've just exited Europe

I bet it wouldn't take 5 years to sort out a trade deal

Just my thoughts

All the best

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