69chris Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38944742 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 Nearly makes me think we should stay in! NOT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martyn2233 Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38944742about time he did leave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 Bye bye drunken bum no more ridiculous expense claims for you boo hoo ,sorry Britain,s been a naughty boy and won,t do as you say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) With the sort of golden handshake and pension he is going to get, why would he want to stay? Edited February 13, 2017 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 He also said he thought the EU's remaining 27 members could struggle to stay united as they negotiated with Britain over the terms of its exit from the EU. "Do the Hungarians and the Poles want exactly the same thing as the Germans and the French? I have serious doubts," he said. In other news the Pope has been confirmed as being Catholic,and it has been scientifically proven that bears do their daily business in the woods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 He also said he thought the EU's remaining 27 members could struggle to stay united as they negotiated with Britain over the terms of its exit from the EU. "Do the Hungarians and the Poles want exactly the same thing as the Germans and the French? I have serious doubts," he said. In other news the Pope has been confirmed as being Catholic,and it has been scientifically proven that bears do their daily business in the woods. You would have thought that he he might have considered whether the Hungarians and Poles wanted the same things as France and Germany before he pushed the closer integration measures through. My money is on him standing down or being medically retired before the French general elections next month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 He scoffed all of the cream now he's off to a warm tax haven....took long enough for common sense to filter through? Not taking a bet against the UKP as his package would be enhanced........pigs and troughs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 You would have thought that he he might have considered whether the Hungarians and Poles wanted the same things as France and Germany before he pushed the closer integration measures through. My money is on him standing down or being medically retired before the French general elections next month. To be fair you predicted this week's ago, I may just want those lottery numbers if you wouldn't mind 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 I am glad to see him go, but going in 2 years time is a "slow jump". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 I am glad to see him go, but going in 2 years time is a "slow jump". I think that he's setting the scene for a more imminent departure. Drip feed the reporters and then it won't be such a shock when he does go. (Fingers crossed) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69chris Posted February 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 I am glad to see him go, but going in 2 years time is a "slow jump". perhaps 'gentle slide' would have been closer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 He scoffed all of the cream now he's off to a warm tax haven....took long enough for common sense to filter through? Not taking a bet against the UKP as his package would be enhanced........pigs and troughs? He came from a tax haven: Jean-Claude Juncker, 61, President of the European Commission Salary: £245,629 plus a residential allowance of £36,844 and a monthly expense allowance of £1,135. Pension of £52,500 for life from age 65. Background: Before becoming a president in 2014, Juncker was prime minister of Luxembourg for 18 years and it was there that he grew accustomed to the high life. Luxembourg may be the smallest country in the EU – with a population of 570,000 it is smaller than Glasgow – but it pays its PM more than anyone else: the current incumbent earns £224,000. So basically the Prime Minister of Glasgow Luxembourg gets 2/3 the salary of Mr. President Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose man Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 He needs to retire to give himself time to spend his enhanced pension .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 One wonders if he knows something scandalous is soon to be exposed about him - such as fingers in the till etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 One wonders if he knows something scandalous is soon to be exposed about him - such as fingers in the till etc. That is already the case and has been ever since he gained the Presidency. He was implicated in huge financial scandals in Luxembourg. He was put in the EU position to act as a gatekeeper for French and German interests. Both these countries continue to break EU regulations, but Junckers ignores that. When the PM of Holland asked him why he wouldn't take action over French fiscal breaches of policy he simply replied: "Because it is France!" He is largely a figurehead with no active role in the EU other than defending French and German interests. He hardly holds meetings and doesn't travel outside his comfort zone of France, Germany, Belgium and Holland. Junckers came to the EU with a plan for closer integration backed up by stronger EU laws. Unfortunately for him the timing was wrong as many countries were realising the implications of being shackled to Brussels. Add to that the unpopular demands of accepting Turkey's application to the EU, distribution of refugees throughout EU countries and legal threats about EU countries acting unilaterally to defend their borders and you have a President who is not in touch with today's realities. He is a yesterday man. Junckers has to go to save the EU. This has to be sooner rather than later as the Dutch, French and Germans hold general elections this year. He can't be seen to be ditched as everyone will think that it is a sign of panic after Brexit and so he will be eased out. The statement that he will not stand again is the start of that process. Things will pick up speed as the Dutch elections are next month and the French shortly after. Removal of Junckers would make the chances of the far right in each country less likely. And if he was still in place after the French elections and Le Pen was to be elected, she would push to remove him immediately and that would be the death knell for the EU. In order to avoid a far right swing in Holland and France Junckers must go before the middle of March. They will quickly appoint an appeaser to try and head off the anti-EU voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 It starts to get interesting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 Junckers has to go to save the EU. This has to be sooner rather than later as the Dutch, French and Germans hold general elections this year. He can't be seen to be ditched as everyone will think that it is a sign of panic after Brexit and so he will be eased out. The statement that he will not stand again is the start of that process. Things will pick up speed as the Dutch elections are next month and the French shortly after. Removal of Junckers would make the chances of the far right in each country less likely. And if he was still in place after the French elections and Le Pen was to be elected, she would push to remove him immediately and that would be the death knell for the EU. In order to avoid a far right swing in Holland and France Junckers must go before the middle of March. They will quickly appoint an appeaser to try and head off the anti-EU voters. Excellent analysis ,I think youre on the money there . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 He could see the way it was going,but would not back off the silly rules that were being thought up by some office pencil pusher,He knows the end is coming and like all top of the tree wanabees He is taking an early rerirement which will give top money while its still there.. He has already worked his booze money out,and is probably quite pleased with the way it has turned out,, I do not think for a minute all the other EU countries liked him anyway. Good Riddance I say.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 That is already the case and has been ever since he gained the Presidency. He was implicated in huge financial scandals in Luxembourg. He was put in the EU position to act as a gatekeeper for French and German interests. Both these countries continue to break EU regulations, but Junckers ignores that. When the PM of Holland asked him why he wouldn't take action over French fiscal breaches of policy he simply replied: "Because it is France!" He is largely a figurehead with no active role in the EU other than defending French and German interests. He hardly holds meetings and doesn't travel outside his comfort zone of France, Germany, Belgium and Holland. Junckers came to the EU with a plan for closer integration backed up by stronger EU laws. Unfortunately for him the timing was wrong as many countries were realising the implications of being shackled to Brussels. Add to that the unpopular demands of accepting Turkey's application to the EU, distribution of refugees throughout EU countries and legal threats about EU countries acting unilaterally to defend their borders and you have a President who is not in touch with today's realities. He is a yesterday man. Junckers has to go to save the EU. This has to be sooner rather than later as the Dutch, French and Germans hold general elections this year. He can't be seen to be ditched as everyone will think that it is a sign of panic after Brexit and so he will be eased out. The statement that he will not stand again is the start of that process. Things will pick up speed as the Dutch elections are next month and the French shortly after. Removal of Junckers would make the chances of the far right in each country less likely. And if he was still in place after the French elections and Le Pen was to be elected, she would push to remove him immediately and that would be the death knell for the EU. In order to avoid a far right swing in Holland and France Junckers must go before the middle of March. They will quickly appoint an appeaser to try and head off the anti-EU voters. That's very informative - thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 For anybody wishing to get a view of what is going on in Brussels these are two articles that are worth taking the time to read: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-juncker-taxavoidance-idUSKBN14Q1S4 http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/eu-commission-president-juncker-under-fire-a-1098232.html The first one outlines Junckers involvement in dodgy tax deals and suppressing investigations into this. The second one gives an insight into Juncker's precarious standing in the EU. Here are three telling paragraphs from it: He has been particularly independent when it comes to the Stability and Growth Pact, which was designed to ensure stable public finances in eurozone member states. Juncker has begun making comments in public that make it seem as though he believes the pact no longer applies. "Because it's France," he recently answered when asked at a meeting in Paris why he was allowing the country additional exceptions to the debt rules. Juncker added that he was intimately familiar with the French mentality. In reaction to Juncker's behavior, a suggestion originally made by German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble (CDU) last summer has gained new life. It is aimed at nothing less than the political disempowerment of Commission President Juncker. Schäuble would particularly like to absolve Juncker of his responsibility for overseeing the solidity of member-state finances. This could also apply to the legal supervision of the internal market and rules governing competition. Schäuble would like to see such tasks assigned to politically independent institutions, such as Germany's Bundeskartellamt, which is charged with protecting competition in the business sector. A not insignificant number of people in Brussels believes that the success of the Brexit camp in the UK can partly be blamed on Juncker. Some conservative political leaders think that Juncker has unnecessarily given ammunition to the Brexiteers and has also strengthened Euroskepticism in Germany. "Jean-Claude Juncker's romanticism about Europe no longer works in the 21st century," says one high-ranking German conservative. If Brexit comes to pass, he says, Europe would need a new narrative. "I have my doubts that Juncker would be able to embody it." Regards the fiscal rules: Greece, Spain, Portugal, France and Ireland have missed more targets than they have hit in the last ten years. Even Germany missed them in two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 That last paragraph is right on the money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 Interesting read Clive, thanks for posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 I wonder how the general public of other EU states feel about the UK and Brexit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 I wonder how the general public of other EU states feel about the UK and Brexit? A mixed reaction from what I've seen and heard. Some are sad to see us go, others are glad to see us depart. Some view us as being an example they can follow, others view us as a traitor to their project. Some think we're crazy, others think we're geniuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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