Red-dot Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 The UN were fuming the strikes took place when they were talking about their response to the Sarin attack.... The USA pays some 75% of the UN costs. I see the funds going elsewhere. Good on you America! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 I believe it is more to do with geography and it's worth looking at an atlas. There is a massive NATO excercise going on in eastern Europe. Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq are destabilised. US ships are in the Black Sea, Straits of Malacca and South China Sea and also in Japan. The US is always carrying out excercises supposedly in support of South Korea. China has to ship its oil through the Straits of Malacca and South China Sea. Russia has to maintain its access to the Black Sea through Crimea because that is the only southern access to the Mediterranean. Looking at each individual conflict it doesn't look like much but joining them all up then the US has created a buffer zone between Russia, China and Saudi Arabian oil. US policy down the years has been to push other countries into taking defensive action that has then been termed 'aggression' and given the US the excuse it was after for taking military action. Either that or funding proxy wars that then turn into insurgencies that they were supposedly trying to prevent and instead create political vacuums that turn into breeding grounds for terrorism. The questions I ask are, how come there has only ever been one 9/11? How many countries have Russia invaded? How many countries have China invaded? How many countries have the US invaded? How often do we get told that actions are being taken in response to other countries 'aggression' when, in fact they are just trying to defend themselves. What's the difference between a chemical attack and hundreds of thousands of civilians being killed by Tomahawk missiles, Hellfire missiles and Reaper drones? We're forever told that Russian aggression and Putin are our real enemy but I'm not so sure. So far the death-toll is listed as 9 civilians and 4 servicemen against the 72 reportedly killed in the chemical attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 Russian warship heading for the Med...??. Do you have a tin hat.?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 So far the death-toll is listed as 9 civilians and 4 servicemen against the 72 reportedly killed in the chemical attack. I know, sorry, I was talking about the hundreds of thousands who have been killed since Dubya and Bliar launched their shock and awe campaign to make us all feel safer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted April 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 Am I incorrect in believing that Russia 'stayed on' in a number of eastern European countries after WW2 ...Poland, part of Germany, Latvia, etc etc, even had a crack at Finland , but failed miserably there. Recently annexed the Crimea. Without a doubt the UN has failed miserably as well ... just an expensive talking shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-dot Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 Syria used aircraft to poison citizens which is a war crime so destroy their ability and intentions to repeat this again.... The world stands by for years and does nothing because of Putin backing Assad, the world needs to flex its muscle and not cower in a corner.... The Taliban chopped them up and sent them home big time and all they had were home made AK's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 I know, sorry, I was talking about the hundreds of thousands who have been killed since Dubya and Bliar launched their shock and awe campaign to make us all feel safer. I see, you can imagine the confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie&bezza Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) I have to admit I'm just quite indifferent to it all now. Same old same old. I despair because we're here for a short enough time as it is; why some insist on making what time we have even shorter I simply don't know. I sometimes wish some massive alien spaceship about the size of Alaska would descend over the planet and little green men told us that unless we sorted ourselves out and sharpish, and stopped killing each other they'd turn earth into a molten glass ball. Or god would do the same. Neither of which is going to happen of course. Like an old boy once told me; put all your wishes in one bucket, and ***** in another; see which ones fills up first. On the button. No pun intended. An old workmate said the same about god suddenly coming down out the clouds and telling us to stop ruining it. Sit back and think and you realise how stupid it all is. Will always be conflict and will only end when the world ends. Best load for spetznaz? Edited April 7, 2017 by winnie&bezza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 I am not taking sides on this but it does make me think who stood to gain most from this gas thing not Assad for shore he was getting the US and others to think that it would be better to leave him in place and if he wanted to kill just 80 people he could have done that with normal bombs this whole thing stinks. One thing that nobody has said is Trump told the Chinese if they did not do something to stop North Korea making the bomb then he would stop them with the Chinese PM or President coming to see him soon Trump can say I did it to Syria if you do not stop North Korea then we will do the same to them something to think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol p Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 Lots of folk criticise the the Americans because of the recent conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan, but it's a bit different when they fight men in a combat uniform. Iraq and Afghanistan presented a bunch of chicken **** who were fighters, then miraculously turned into farmers when an A10 turned up. Back in 1991 the Iraqi army lost their appetite for a scrap and gave up and sooner than expected, the might of the American war machine was too much. Yes, it was a coalition, but it wouldn't have been the push over it was without them. The Americans like the British do the boring bits better than others. The planning, logistics, surveillance, ground crew, service, etc etc. That's why they have the spuds to take the fight to enemy, confidence in the back line as well as the frontline. Me, well I'm getting some burgers and beer in for the up coming scrap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) So, 31NG, you have a new found respect for trump, were you the type that spent the last 18 months slaughtering him? So a bombing campaign later and you like him, weird that. For the record, I have never slagged him off, I just felt from day one that he earnt his shot, and I was able to put aside the parody aspect. Saying that, he campaigned on a platform of America first, well whats going on now? the yanks must be asking Edited April 7, 2017 by wandringstar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetree Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 Why oh why would Assad risk using chemical weapons, when he knows the international condemnation / action that would follow? He is winning and a Syria with Assad still at its head looked ever more likely. Remember the last time this happened in Syria? Assad to blame? Read on... https://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetree Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 And just a quick reminder of what life in Syria was like before it was destabilised by Islamic extremists (sorry, obviously I'm mean rebel freedom fighters). A secular state, compulsory education until 15, Free education for all until 18, and women holding prominent positions private and public bodies. Don't just take my word for it, watch the first 5 minutes of this 2011 BBC documentary... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iUDxznlkm6Y Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 Why oh why would Assad risk using chemical weapons, when he knows the international condemnation / action that would follow? He is winning and a Syria with Assad still at its head looked ever more likely. Remember the last time this happened in Syria? Assad to blame? Read on... https://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line Sadly we need Assad in power to stop Isis spreading there. Once they are sorted......He needs outing. This attack was a gentle punch on the nose for the playground bully saying... Ok you can only go so far. Let's be clear here, he used a gas... on his own people...... that Hitler dare not use on his enemies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetree Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 Sadly we need Assad in power to stop Isis spreading there. Once they are sorted......He needs outing. Oh yes, because regime change has worked so well in this particular region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 I notice that the pictures of the bombed out shelters on the airfield appear to be devoid of aircraft wreckage such as large bits like engine turbines and lumps of undercarriage. If the mericans warned the Russians did they all have the time to get out including the Syrian airforce planes? In which case what was the point other than just to make a bit of a show and use up some out of sell by date ammunition and do a bit of training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 I don't believe tbat the Russians, who are all over every Syrian airbase, would have OK'd the dropping of gas. Besides which, it seems odd that the Syrian government would have chosen to gas the very people they allowed to leave Aleppo under truce for Idlib a month ago. Also, why would the Syrians crash the upcoming UN peace discussions that everyone and his dog knows they were entering into in a stronger position than they've enjoyed for years? Thw whole thing, from the strangeness of the timing of the attack to the immediate media blitz and blanket coverage screams manufactured causus belli. And as for the faux-outrage... go look at some pictures from Yemen. On tbe airfield behind my house it's BAE techies turning the Saudi planes around to send them to bomb the **** out of civilian subsistence farmers. They're even dropping incendiaries on the crops. Rotten, the whole thing's rotten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRYAN3 Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 I believe the gas attack took place on tuesday, the attack on the airfield thursday after two days training for it. Are missile equipped warships stationed there all the time? Or were they sent there especially for the coming airfield job. I wonder if Assad really was the perpetrator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 the Lebanon used to be known as the paris of the middle east a few decades back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthedark Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 I see the UN are having a 'tense debate' with some 'sharp exchanges'. That'll help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 Standard U.N. response. Meeting - strong condemnation - do nothing. Or put boots on the ground but the them up so tightly in tape they can do nothing. A totally useless organisation until hot air and guff become a renewable energy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted April 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 The Americans have had a fleet sitting in the Med off Syria for some time. Personally I think this was not only a warning to Assad but also to Mad Dog Kim in North Korea, because the Chinese Premier just happens to be visiting the USA at this time. Forces are already in place in South Korea in the guise of an 'exercise'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) why cant every single piece of wealth in the world be carved up equally between 7 billion people, everyone goes back to their country of origin, press the reset button, and leave each other alone for eternity? So sick of wars and hate. Edited April 7, 2017 by wandringstar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Shredder. Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 Where's Blair, should show up soon spouting his usual carp on the region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gustaff Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 Where's Blair, should show up soon spouting his usual carp on the region. was blair elected as the middle peace envoy by the eu or un after he left the trouble in this country he and his cronies created what acracking good job he has done is he still on pay if he was in a typicale company workforce would he be employable with his creditability Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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