MrTango Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 Hi all, I applied for my SGC with Met police some weeks ago. I have a gun safe installed and have undertaken a safety course. I am worried about how my application will be determined because I live in a household where there is an adult with a criminal record (for GBH S.18) and is considered a 'prohibited person' as they received a custodial sentence for more than 3 years. The person is a close relative. Do you think the Met will okay my application as I have a clear record or is it likely to be refused? What can I do to? I have considered proposing that my gun is held at a RFD but I'm told that the police usually don't like that (incase you return late from a shoot and the shops closed). I have also considered maybe a condition be applied that no ammo is kept at home. But I understand that with Section 2 SGC they're unable to put on conditions? I've already owned an air rifle for 6-7 years without any problems. Your thoughts and wisdom would be welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 Are you a member of a shooting org? Wait and see what happens, there is little you can do during the process. It'll be down to interview I imagine. IMO opinion I don't think you have much to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycho Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 Welcome to the forum You will probably be refused...... Or not No-one can answer your question other than the police force issuing Anything on this forum will be speculation half will say yes and half no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 The firearms law states that nobody other than the licence holder should have access or know were your keys are hidden. On that basis I fail to see how you could be refused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 The firearms law states that nobody other than the licence holder should have access or know were your keys are hidden. On that basis I fail to see how you could be refused. Because a person with a colourful history would be living in a house with firearms, i.e. Whilst your out they could break into the safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me matt Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 Because a person with a colourful history would be living in a house with firearms, i.e. Whilst your out they could break into the safe. This... I was told the same by my FEO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 I would say the OP could very well have a battle on his hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggiegun Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) On every renewal for past few, GMP has taken a list of wive and kids (or anyone living there)name dob etc to do back ground checks on them for that reason. Edited October 8, 2017 by reggiegun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie&bezza Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 Or you take you gun out of the safe, he hits you over the head and makes off with it. Just a scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 or kick him out, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 I was told I'd be refused a fac if I still lived with my ex. They wouldn't say why but she has my kids full time. Glad she's gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon69 Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 Are you a member of a shooting org? Wait and see what happens, there is little you can do during the process. It'll be down to interview I imagine. IMO opinion I don't think you have much to worry about. This ^^ Dont start worrying until you have a reason to worry. (Do you have a licence holder friend who could look after them or you could keep your safe at?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 I would say the OP could very well have a battle on his hands I suspect so too. It is all a consideration of risk, regrettably for the OP he has a person staying in his house that the law deems to be of too high risk to ever be given access to a firearm. The FEO has to consider the possibility that the prohibited person may gain access to a firearm in that household, that could be through finding the keys, a lack of diligence in the gun being secured, physical intimidation/threat to the license holder, breaking into the cabinet using a pry bar or angle grinder or even the licence holder giving the guy a shot when out together. Ask yourself if you were the FEO do you think the risk scenario is appropriate to grant a ticket? Is there any compelling reason why the FEO should approve an application that outweighs the risk of a prohibited person gaining access to a firearm? I'm not suggesting in the least that the OPs relative would try to gain access, but that is what needs to be considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 or kick him out, It could be his missus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 I have a mate under Durham licensing authority. His son ( whom also has SGC ) WAS friends with a lad whose brother was very very well known to Police. My mate was told that even HIS ticket was under scrutiny as regards renewal because of his sons association once removed with an undesirable. Its a big .... covering exercise Im afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) That's me Scully,its called revokation through association.Both mine and my son's where under threat,we both held fac/SGC.All guns on my certs as son was only 15.All because he was seen talking to a friend who was with this undesirable.However 12mths later my son's behaviour changed and I made the decision that he was not fit to posses and surrendered his certs on that condition. He then got into trouble where he assaulted a lad.After a few months of his arrest I was asked if I thought my guns where safe (son never had access even when held certs as all guns on mine).I had to justify that they where,however when my son started to show signs of aggression towards me amd I felt that I could be compromised (example if he came home while I was cleaning guns after being down farm ) surrendered my certs.I arranged for RFD to collect guns and I surrendered my certs that very day.FEO stated that I could keep my guns at Friends or Farm,but that's just more hassle than it's worth. My son received a custodial and he is not allowed near fire arms for 5 yrs never mind touch them (should be life in my opinion)So on that basis I think the poster will be refused unless he gets a condition where he can't keep guns at same add.However there is this increasing threat of association. If I'd of kept mine (unlikely) they would of had to go once he was released.Thankfully he didn't come back home and has a place on his own. It was my responsability as a cert holder to steer my son in the right direction and i clearly failed my son so that makes me unfit to continue to hold SGC/FAC. Edited October 8, 2017 by Davyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 Our opinion is totally meaningless. The Met will likely have more info and make their own mind up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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