No Firearms/shotguns to be stored at home?

[Bangbangman]

This affects all gun owners.

 

The following (edited) was posted by a shooter on another forum, pointing out the possible hidden agenda in the new Home Office proposals:

 

This isn't intended to usurp the current thread. But to highlight the hidden barb in the HO proposals. It is a throwaway line in relation to knife type and martial art type weapons possessed in private premises. It is this:

 

Even if the owner of the weapon in question has no intention at all of using it, there is a risk that they may be targeted by criminals intending to steal it.

 

There is NO qualification about such an item being allowed if "kept securely" and, knowing how the HO sets up way markers that it later uses to introduce further restriction; it is a future possible threat to gun ownership.

 

I have seen this before.

 

That having had accepted the idea that item X, at home, is a risk to public safety as it could be stolen, that idea is then extended to banning Y from being kept at home. And if it cannot be safely stored away from home then for Y to be banned.

 

So it important even if you've no interest in .50 BMG, or corrosives, to complete the survey and and state that items kept at home should not be prohibited, as in any case if it can be kept securely then its possession at home or on private premises what is the problem that the HO Survey implies.

 

The HO proposal is a "stalking horse" to eventually require storage away from the owner's home of target weapons and/or air weapons IMHO. But in clubs. And a ban if they cannot. Just as such storage was rejected for centrefire pistols under the Tory handgun ban.

 

The HO has flown this "kite" before!

 

 

The wording of the proposals and the survey are very sneaky; a far-reaching agenda is hidden at the heart of this legislation.

 

ALL shooters must oppose it: complete the survey and write to your MP. I have done both and urge others to do the same.

 

Apathy will be the death of shooting in this country.

 

Those links again-

 

The consultation:

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/offensive-and-dangerous-weapons-new-legislation

 

Contact your MP:

https://www.writetothem.com/

Edited October 16, 2017 by Bangbangman

[Flashman]

Are BASC, etc. endorsing this view? Are there any comments from these organisations about how to comment?

[Davyo]

Wasn't there something similar along those lines about 25/30 yrs ago.Where it was proposed that your firearms had to be kept at the local police station,RFD or clsy club.They were suggesting that would you would book them out every time you wanted to go shooting.

Look a like it's only a matter of time,but how long?

[Guest stevo]

I think we all need to calm down a bit.

 

Good grief

[McSpredder]

Wasn't there something similar along those lines about 25/30 yrs ago.Where it was proposed that your firearms had to be kept at the local police station,RFD or clsy club.They were suggesting that would you would book them out every time you wanted to go shooting.

A scheme that must have been designed for the benefit of criminals and terrorists, so that they could watch individuals collecting guns from the central store and follow them to a quiet spot in order to steal the weapons.

 

Unless (perish the thought) some of the people who dream up new rules and regulations were too dim to think of that, or incapable of imagining that any of their ideas could be flawed.

“And each of them said ‘How wise we are! ……..We never can think we were rash or wrong….”

 

[zipdog]

In the future all trigger with be electronic with a finger print scanner so only the licenced operators can use them.

[wymberley]

I think we all need to calm down a bit.

 

Good grief

[McSpredder]

In the future all trigger with be electronic with a finger print scanner so only the licenced operators can use them.

A bit awkward for folk who shoot in cold weather and need to wear gloves.

[Paul1440]

I also tbink it was suggested at the same tome as the handgun ban. Common sense said that it was safer and more to have them stored in single/small numbers over a large area than in large numbers in central locations which could be more efficeintly raided.

Setting up centralised locations would also be very expensive. Not only would the storage need to be large. Much bigger than a club could handle they would need full time staffing.

The practicallities of having lots of people queuing to pick a gun up on a Sunday morning would be interesting. it would be a honypot for those with terror intentions.

Edited October 17, 2017 by Paul1440

[Scully]

It was indeed suggested prior to the handgun ban, but when the practicalities are considered it was soon dropped as serious outcome.

I think were getting a bit carried away here; the logistics and costs would simply render the entire idea ridiculous in my opinion.

Thousands of game shots all queuing up for their shotguns six days a week throughout the entire shooting season? Really?

[grrclark]

It was indeed suggested prior to the handgun ban, but when the practicalities are considered it was soon dropped as serious outcome.

I think were getting a bit carried away here; the logistics and costs would simply render the entire idea ridiculous in my opinion.

Thousands of game shots all queuing up for their shotguns six days a week throughout the entire shooting season? Really?

 

Exactly. There is no doubt that those that shoot will always have a very tightly regulated environment in which we operate, but there is also a level of hysteria amongst some in the sport that quite frankly borders on the absurd.

[Rewulf]

It was indeed suggested prior to the handgun ban, but when the practicalities are considered it was soon dropped as serious outcome.

I think were getting a bit carried away here; the logistics and costs would simply render the entire idea ridiculous in my opinion.

Thousands of game shots all queuing up for their shotguns six days a week throughout the entire shooting season? Really?

 

 

Exactly. There is no doubt that those that shoot will always have a very tightly regulated environment in which we operate, but there is also a level of hysteria amongst some in the sport that quite frankly borders on the absurd.

 

You could well be right, but...

What if they passed the costs of centralised gun storage down to licence holders ?

How many shooters would simply give up , because it would be too much hassle , or because the licence fee went up ?

Game and clay shooters could simply use a gun on site, so no need for a SGC or home storage, they would say.

 

Hysteria aside, I would be very careful about thinking this is a storm in a teacup.

The relatively small number of .50 cal and MARS users, makes protest at them being moved to sec 5 unlikely, or at best small, despite the fact that no crime has ever been committed in this country using them (to my knowledge)

It really is another nail in the coffin Im afraid.

[HW95J]

If it was genuinely a concern about security, surely they would just make it a rule that the specific guns mentioned in the proposal had to be stored at a RFD or similar.

Unless of course this is actually about general anti-gun sentiment and capitalising on a level of hysteria relating to terrorism and other recent events...

As people have pointed out, centralisation would probably be less secure for a number of reasons. Not to mention highly impractical.

[Bangbangman]

Centralisation would indeed be impractical, as it was when proposed for handguns. We know how that ended.

 

Make no mistake- there is a simmering anti-gun sentiment in much of the non-shooting populace and our government knows this.

 

It is much easier to gradually ban guns than it is to address the underlying or genuine causes of gun-crime. Plus, as a politician, you can boast to the voters how much safer you have made them!

 

These proposals, along with the likely airgun licencing, are the beginning of the end for shooting in the UK. Media-driven, emotion-fuelled consultations about grouse moors and driven shooting will come in time.

 

I hope those reading and commenting on the threads relating to these proposals do not bury their heads in the sand and will complete the survey and write to their MP.

 

"Calming down" is not going to protect shooting. Do not be calm, be active.

[mossy835]

at one time there were shotguns stolen from a police station, that was many years ago, so that worked well.cant see it happen,

[Rewulf]

Centralisation would indeed be impractical, as it was when proposed for handguns. We know how that ended.

 

Make no mistake- there is a simmering anti-gun sentiment in much of the non-shooting populace and our government knows this.

 

It is much easier to gradually ban guns than it is to address the underlying or genuine causes of gun-crime. Plus, as a politician, you can boast to the voters how much safer you have made them!

 

These proposals, along with the likely airgun licencing, are the beginning of the end for shooting in the UK. Media-driven, emotion-fuelled consultations about grouse moors and driven shooting will come in time.

 

I hope those reading and commenting on the threads relating to these proposals do not bury their heads in the sand and will complete the survey and write to their MP.

 

"Calming down" is not going to protect shooting. Do not be calm, be active.

 

Centralisation would indeed be impractical, and I think thats exactly the point.

Make it difficult, and expensive to have private firearm ownership, and I bet you would lose 30 odd percent of shooters in one fell swoop, many more followng, once the practicalities became apparent.

This is a serious matter, nibble away at the support base, start with the obscure stuff, like .50 and MARS, next thing with be the other 'big' calibres, followed by sec 1 shotgun and .22lr semi autos and LBP.

It might take years, but they will get to YOU in the end.

Make a big noise now, not later.

[mossy835]

if i remember this was said well over 10 years ago,it wont work, if they were put in gun clubs and it got robbed,thats a lot of gun out in bad hands,and as said if put in a police station they could not manage the queue.

[Rewulf]

if i remember this was said well over 10 years ago,it wont work, if they were put in gun clubs and it got robbed,thats a lot of gun out in bad hands,and as said if put in a police station they could not manage the queue.

 

Thats the whole point !

You would have to wait to retrieve YOUR gun, or book an appointment.

Making it impractical, expensive and a whole load of hassle = not worth it .

Private firearm ownership would become obsolete, not because it was banned, but because no one could be bothered with it any more.

Mission accomplished.

[Paul1440]

 

This is a serious matter, nibble away at the support base, start with the obscure stuff, like .50 and MARS, next thing with be the other 'big' calibres, followed by sec 1 shotgun and .22lr semi autos and LBP.

It might take years, but they will get to YOU in the end.

Make a big noise now, not later.

Thin end of the wedge.

The problem is as everyone knows. Give a bit and those that are interested in achieving something will keep chipping away. From power boats in the lake district. ( it was agreed to restrict speed on some waters providing they were allowed on Windermere) the grey bearded types who are truly smug who want the world to be a museum got their way eventually.

Congestion charges. Only £1.00 a day to get to work becomes £10.00 at 10 times inflation rate.

I personally think it's mad that the gun laws in the USA are so relaxed and you can buy assault rifles etc.

But as sure as eggs are eggs if the NRA make even what they may believe is a reasonable concession. The demands for control will become unreasonable and unjustified.

[mudpatten]

In many police force areas there are no longer any police stations to speak of.

[mossy835]

if they here about it over the pond, they will be ******* them selfs,can you see that happen over there.they will kick up stink.

[mossy835]

where is david,basc maybe he can fill us in.

[Wingman]

where is david,basc maybe he can fill us in.

Interested to get his opinion but in reality none of the so called groups that support shooters right reality carry any weight as far as government is concerned.

[Rewulf]

Interested to get his opinion but in reality none of the so called groups that support shooters right reality carry any weight as far as government is concerned.

 

I disagree to an extent there.

To say they dont carry any weight isnt correct, the weight they carry depends on their members numbers.

The shooting organisations themselves are just that, if you want YOUR voice to be heard, make some noise.

 

Let me put this to you.

Say next week/month/ year ,they proposed centralised gun storage.

How many of you, under BASC ,CA ects proposal, would get off your bums and go on a march and / or do an email bombardment of government ?

If you dont make a fuss, they will think you dont care, and will do what they like.

Plus its no good doing it after it happens, it wants doing now, nipping in the bud as it were.

[Guest stevo]

 

I disagree to an extent there.

To say they dont carry any weight isnt correct, the weight they carry depends on their members numbers.

The shooting organisations themselves are just that, if you want YOUR voice to be heard, make some noise.

 

Let me put this to you.

Say next week/month/ year ,they proposed centralised gun storage.

How many of you, under BASC ,CA ects proposal, would get off your bums and go on a march and / or do an email bombardment of government ?

If you dont make a fuss, they will think you dont care, and will do what they like.

Plus its no good doing it after it happens, it wants doing now, nipping in the bud as it were.

Shooting orgs are nothing more than toothless tigers. Forget sending emails to mps ect most of which wont even get through there spam filter 😂

Our shooting orgs need to learn to play nicely together. Join forces , as said strength in numbers.

Some even need to take a long cold hard look at there own houses before they do owt else. Look at BASC and the agro in house there over the past couple of years for instance. ( nice one for that chaps )

 

There all very good on paper but that is about it. They carry sod all weight in the grand scale of things.

Christ they cant even shut chris packham up !!

 

They all seem to sell very good caravan insurance though. And a cracking recipe for a game pie, which is handy 😂

Edited October 18, 2017 by stevo