loriusgarrulus Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 15 minutes ago, Gunman said: At the risk of seeming anti dog , and I am not a great fan having seen a totaly unprovoked attack on an 18 month old toddler by a dog jumping out of a car , Is it not time that a proper licensing system was introduced to reduce the number of "non essential" dogs as they are a menace in the countryside as well as public parks and urbane footpaths . Depends what you class as a none essential dog. Most dogs are well kept and under control even if not a working dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Gunman said: At the risk of seeming anti dog , and I am not a great fan having seen a totaly unprovoked attack on an 18 month old toddler by a dog jumping out of a car , Is it not time that a proper licensing system was introduced to reduce the number of "non essential" dogs as they are a menace in the countryside as well as public parks and urbane footpaths . No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Gunman said: At the risk of seeming anti dog , and I am not a great fan having seen a totaly unprovoked attack on an 18 month old toddler by a dog jumping out of a car , Is it not time that a proper licensing system was introduced to reduce the number of "non essential" dogs as they are a menace in the countryside as well as public parks and urbane footpaths . Yet more demand to have even more legislation imposed because something doesn't agree with someone else's idea of what should be allowed. No sense of irony at all in making that sort of suggestion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Gunman said: At the risk of seeming anti dog , and I am not a great fan having seen a totaly unprovoked attack on an 18 month old toddler by a dog jumping out of a car , Is it not time that a proper licensing system was introduced to reduce the number of "non essential" dogs as they are a menace in the countryside as well as public parks and urbane footpaths . Define non essential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 On 09/11/2017 at 13:40, ShootingEgg said: If the dog is doing that and attacking wildlife and stock, sod the PR, well within the law to destroy the dog. Stock yes, wildlife no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stagboy Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 Be a bit careful. If you shoot a dog that is chasing sheep, in theory you have to show that there was no other course of action open to you. That might normally be the case, of course, but you don't have an actual "right" to shoot a dog to protect livestock (not wildlife, as already pointed out) - but it is a potentially valid defence in an action is brought against you. As for public footpaths, bear in mind there is no legal requirement to have a dog on a lead on a public right of way - no matter what livestock is about (the public has a right to pass and repass unimpeded by livestock, parked vehicles, lines of guns, beaters, etc ) - though dogs must be "under control", and not trespassing. NFU advice about dogs on leads near livestock is simply that - it has no legal standing. Nor are you allowed to put up any sign that might deter a member of the public from exercising their right to pass and repass along a public right of way. Re trespassers, be v careful that you don't do anything that might be construed as threatening. You have a certificate, don't forget. You should direct them to the nearest public right of way. All sounds a bit loopy at times, I know. But it's the law and some trespassers know it backwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadog1408 Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 One was shot locally earlier in the year, chasing pregnant ewes, owners/police and farmer tried to catch it, but couldn't, so farmer shot it..........no comeback at all on the farmer as it was worrying livestock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 10 hours ago, stagboy said: Re trespassers, be v careful that you don't do anything that might be construed as threatening. You have a certificate, don't forget. You should direct them to the nearest public right of way. All sounds a bit loopy at times, I know. But it's the law and some trespassers know it backwards. Good advice. We have all been 'Lost ' at some point and not always unintentionally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 1 hour ago, oowee said: Good advice. We have all been 'Lost ' at some point and not always unintentionally. Agreed, it' all well and good posting on here, shoot it ect but it won' be them who face the legal minefield it involves, not to mention, if it is a chav, the possile far reaching consequences from the retribution they'd likely carry out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 On 12/11/2017 at 14:11, Danger-Mouse said: Define non essential. Dog kept in a house where owners are at work all day .Dogs in flats with no where to exercise other than a inner city street . dogs owned by any one as weapon for example . If a licencing system was introduced and only legitimate breeders could sell pups it would stop that Xmas gift becoming a liability's well as vastly reducing the number of abandoned and unwanted dogs .I could go on but you get the picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Gunman said: Dog kept in a house where owners are at work all day .Dogs in flats with no where to exercise other than a inner city street . dogs owned by any one as weapon for example . If a licencing system was introduced and only legitimate breeders could sell pups it would stop that Xmas gift becoming a liability's well as vastly reducing the number of abandoned and unwanted dogs .I could go on but you get the picture. Yeah, because legislation and/or licensing has proven to be so effective. Oh hang, if people actually followed rules there would be no crime ? And come to think of it if mandatory licensing worked we would have no illegal drivers, no illegal firearms, nobody watching live broadcast telly without a license or of course any failure in any other example of every licensing system ever you could name ? I read a good comment the other day that went something like 'legislation is not a solution, it is an appeal to authority to do our thinking for us'. I thought it very apt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 And the only people who would abide by it would be law abiding people who aren' the problem anyway, the scrotes would carry on getting dogs without licence, look how well pitbul licensing has worked, how many times have I heard of a dog related death from a pit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay1234 Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 On 12/11/2017 at 12:54, wymberley said: Set up a trip alarm cartridge where she comes in. She won't be back. Do you mean a shotgun cartridge? Think there would be some legal issues with that ? at least the 5+ years you would get for manafacturing a short barrelled shotgun ? love the idea tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Jay1234 said: Do you mean a shotgun cartridge? Think there would be some legal issues with that ? at least the 5+ years you would get for manafacturing a short barrelled shotgun ? love the idea tho They are blank rounds so no issue i dont think. And it is a trip alarm that you can buy, juat a pin on a spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay1234 Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 16 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said: They are blank rounds so no issue i dont think. And it is a trip alarm that you can buy, juat a pin on a spring. Ok I’m intrested... very Interested ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 20 minutes ago, Jay1234 said: Ok I’m intrested... very Interested ? https://www.airsoftworld.net/alarm-trip-mine-12g.html This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 I wouldn't, being sued for hearing damage ect is a real probability in today' world unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 On 09/11/2017 at 11:32, Seadog1408 said: Shoot the dog. +1 You are within the law. 'worrying or the landowner/tenant has good reason that the dog is about to worry'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tx4cabbie Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 On 20/12/2017 at 10:04, 12gauge82 said: I wouldn't, being sued for hearing damage ect is a real probability in today' world unfortunately. But surely, in conjunction with the signs, if she wasn't trespassing quite a way from the legal footpath, she wouldn't have set the thing off - so any hearing damage is down to her? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 You'd like to think and I agree it should, unfortunately we're in a situation were a burglar could in theory sue you for injuring themselves on your property under some circumstances, it's nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 (edited) On 20/12/2017 at 12:13, das said: +1 You are within the law. 'worrying or the landowner/tenant has good reason that the dog is about to worry'. I'd also be more careful than some on here suggest, under the law you should only shoot a dog that is about to worry as a last resort if no other means are available, or you could find yourself prosecuted for criminal damage and/or trespass to goods. I' m not saying it is never an option but more consideration is needed than just "shoot the dog" or you could find yourself in serious hot water. Edited December 21, 2017 by 12gauge82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 The trip alarms is probably the best way forward i would use a few though so if she ignored the first she would then get another bang. If you know where she lives go for a walk round her garden and tell her you’ve a right to roam. Wouldnt worry about hearing loss sheshouldnt be there and her own fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, figgy said: The trip alarms is probably the best way forward i would use a few though so if she ignored the first she would then get another bang. If you know where she lives go for a walk round her garden and tell her you’ve a right to roam. Wouldnt worry about hearing loss sheshouldnt be there and her own fault. Entirely up to the op but I would think twice about the bangers, as for trespassing on her land/garden you'd be much less likely to be prosecuted for that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 Electric fencing is good deterent too. Id go for lots of bangs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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