henry d Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 Bins wife for a racist girlfriend, does little to make amends, exec committee has a vote of no confidence and he still stays defiant. The end of UKIP as we know it? Rival factions splintering into what? Discuss (nicely of course) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wb123 Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 They did always seem a one issue party which has ultimately been achieved. I was far more supportive of many of their other policies, flat tax for instance, than exiting the uk but for the vast bulk of their voters they now offer nothing they can't get from labour or the conservatives other than a chance to split the vote of their preferred governing party such that they are less likely to gain a majority. By the next general election I reckon ukip will essentially be history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 A one aim party which has achieved that aim, and for that I’m very grateful. Im sorry to see Farage go but entirely indifferent to the fate of the party now it’s achieved what it set out to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countryman Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 Beggars belief really, no sonner does he get the job he lets his mans extension rule his head with a young sort. I did like the party but I think they are all but done. Shame really because it was interesting when Farage was running the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 The Party was Nigel Farage, who has never really been given the credit he deserves. Without him, they are almost irrelevant and a shambles - bit like the Green Party or the Lib Dems.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 Agreed, I'd love to see farage set up a new party, how Bolton has the face to stand there after what his girlfriend said is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 The party achieved it's aim when Britain voted for Brexit and it should have been disbanded soon after the vote. What Bolton's girlfriend said is not quite but almost irrelevant. They were her words not his. Are we all to be held responsible for what our wives and girlfriends say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) I agree that UKIP are a one issue party that have passed their "use by" date. The problem is, if UKIP go ponto, we will have a two party state.......the Greens, Liberal Democrats, and the other fringe party's are a wasted vote..... So who/what do we vote for? Conservatives who would continue to privatise everything including the NHS, social and healthcare or an increasingly hard left wing labour, who would put the country into massive debt....a debt which our children and children's children will continue to service.............forever? Edited January 23, 2018 by panoma1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 A conundrum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 44 minutes ago, JDog said: What Bolton's girlfriend said is not quite but almost irrelevant. They were her words not his. Are we all to be held responsible for what our wives and girlfriends say? I would expect Mps to be held to a higher level of account than Joe blogs on the street, how can he stand as the leader of a party if he has a relationship with someone who is clearly racist and what message does that send to the people if he was ever put into power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 47 minutes ago, JDog said: The party achieved it's aim when Britain voted for Brexit and it should have been disbanded soon after the vote. What Bolton's girlfriend said is not quite but almost irrelevant. They were her words not his. Are we all to be held responsible for what our wives and girlfriends say? Anyone who wants high office should have relationships with others who know what is allowed and what is not in a polite society. 38 minutes ago, panoma1 said: I agree that UKIP are a one issue party that have passed their "use by" date. The problem is, if UKIP go ponto, we will have a two party state.......the Greens, Liberal Democrats, and the other fringe party's are a wasted vote..... So who/what do we vote for? Conservatives who would continue to privatise everything including the NHS, social and healthcare or an increasingly hard left wing labour, who would put the country into massive debt....a debt which our children and children's children will continue to service.............forever? Politicians are representatives of the people who are in their constituency, therefore you can hold your local MP etc to account if they do not do your bidding. Yes a child like view but it worked for UKIP, and you can start a groundswell of change if there are enough of you. Don`t like what the **** party is doing, lobby them, go to the local MP`s surgery, get active Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MELLYBOY Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 I think the party has left a useful and lasting impact - allowed many a voice when there was no one who would listen,and certainly helped on the road to leaving the EU - JOB DONE ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 On radio 4 news was talk of Farage heading a group put together by Arron Banks https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/21/nigel-farage-and-ex-ukip-donor-in-talks-over-new-political-project Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 39 minutes ago, henry d said: Anyone who wants high office should have relationships with others who know what is allowed and what is not in a polite society. Politicians are representatives of the people who are in their constituency, therefore you can hold your local MP etc to account if they do not do your bidding. Yes a child like view but it worked for UKIP, and you can start a groundswell of change if there are enough of you. Don`t like what the **** party is doing, lobby them, go to the local MP`s surgery, get active I have lobbied my MP many times about shooting related issues! He comes up with the same story, he has always voted against live quarry shooting...and always will!..... shooting is a minority activity, so with him it doesn't work! There is nothing to be gained for him by supporting it? When the urban majority don't care how he votes on countryside issues and the people who don't/won't understand shooting, he would risk losing a significant number of votes if he came out in support! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said: I would expect Mps to be held to a higher level of account than Joe blogs on the street, how can he stand as the leader of a party if he has a relationship with someone who is clearly racist and what message does that send to the people if he was ever put into power. Did he not ditch her when the muck it the fan? I guess the question is, did he know her views before she put them on social media? Edited January 23, 2018 by old'un Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 Bolton was seeing the girl for carnal purposes only. I would have disliked intensely to have been linked with the political views, racial viewpoint or intellect of any of the ladies I used to meet for the same reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 1 hour ago, old'un said: Did he not ditch her when the muck it the fan? I guess the question is, did he know her views before she put them on social media? Yes although i beleive he was then seen with her at a later date, suggesting he probably lied. 43 minutes ago, JDog said: Bolton was seeing the girl for carnal purposes only. I would have disliked intensely to have been linked with the political views, racial viewpoint or intellect of any of the ladies I used to meet for the same reason. You raise a fair point, but I doubt you were attempting to be the leader of the uk at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 19 hours ago, panoma1 said: I have lobbied my MP many times about shooting related issues! He comes up with the same story, he has always voted against live quarry shooting...and always will!..... shooting is a minority activity, so with him it doesn't work! There is nothing to be gained for him by supporting it? When the urban majority don't care how he votes on countryside issues and the people who don't/won't understand shooting, he would risk losing a significant number of votes if he came out in support! perhaps you went about it the wrong way? Politicians look after their own interests and the flow of money/power is one of them. Go prepared with the pounds shillings and pence that are spent on fieldsports, how many people are employed directly and indirectly, how many hours people are using for recreation and how that has increased.... Change the framework of how people think about things and you change the culture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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