panoma1 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) 47 minutes ago, oowee said: At 70 driving licences have to be renewed which I guess is a matter of public safety? Is there a cost to that? I think it also includes an OK from the doctor so should not the same process or costs be applied? If a driving licence renewal for the over 70's is compulsory for reasons of public safety then I strongly feel, it should be at no cost to the driver! Fortunately I'm not there yet! Just checked, apparently over 70's licence renewal is a requirement (every three years!) but an applicant fills in a form and renewal is free! As far as I'm aware over 70's self certify?..........Unless you know differently? If the over 70's are required to get the OK from their GP? The DVLA should stand any cost via government (public purse) funding.....if they choose (for their own reasons) to go to their GP in order to confirm that they are ok to drive, then arguably they should fund that themselves! Edited March 30, 2018 by panoma1 Further info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stagboy Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 I believe that if older folk do not get the nod from their GP at age 70, and they still wish to prove their fitness to drive, then they have to pay for a specialist to produce the relevant medical report. On a slightly different slant, look at these figures (below) and just imagine how many youngsters would be shooting if a similar age-related weighting was applied to shooting insurance fees: https://www.statista.com/statistics/751199/average-car-insurance-cost-by-age/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 30 minutes ago, panoma1 said: If a driving licence renewal for the over 70's is compulsory for reasons of public safety then I strongly feel, it should be at no cost to the driver! Fortunately I'm not there yet! Just checked, apparently over 70's licence renewal is a requirement (every three years!) but an applicant fills in a form and renewal is free! As far as I'm aware over 70's self certify?..........Unless you know differently? If the over 70's are required to get the OK from their GP? The DVLA should stand any cost via government (public purse) funding.....if they choose (for their own reasons) to go to their GP in order to confirm that they are ok to drive, then arguably they should fund that themselves! I could be wrong, but I think the renewal at 70 is free and you just have to declare if you have anything 'wrong' that could be detrimental to your driving. Just found this: http://www.olderdrivers.org.uk/the-law/renewing-your-driving-licence/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stagboy Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 V interesting. Note medical conditions stipulation.One does have to wonder what proportion over-70s are free of any medical condition that "might" potentially affect their driving. I bet this stipulation is generally ignored and seldom investigated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 45 minutes ago, stagboy said: V interesting. Note medical conditions stipulation.One does have to wonder what proportion over-70s are free of any medical condition that "might" potentially affect their driving. I bet this stipulation is generally ignored and seldom investigated. Both me and my wife to start with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browning123 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 hour ago, steve_b_wales said: I could be wrong, but I think the renewal at 70 is free and you just have to declare if you have anything 'wrong' that could be detrimental to your driving. Just found this: http://www.olderdrivers.org.uk/the-law/renewing-your-driving-licence/ Yes, you're right Steve - if you recall my wife and I were both 70 last year and the renewal was free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, browning123 said: Yes, you're right Steve - if you recall my wife and I were both 70 last year and the renewal was free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 So if it's good enough for the wider majority, general population' to declare themselves fit to drive a lethal weapon why not a gun owner. To me it's clearly politically insensitive to require so many voters (as in the majority of the public who drive) to produce a medical report let alone pay for one. Yet with a small number of gun owners it's easy to politically go down that route but I cannot see how it passes, a fair and proportionate test, to require gun owners to pay for a GP report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 2 hours ago, stagboy said: V interesting. Note medical conditions stipulation.One does have to wonder what proportion over-70s are free of any medical condition that "might" potentially affect their driving. I bet this stipulation is generally ignored and seldom investigated. Over 70's? Fit/unfit? That's nowt........You wanna watch 100 year old driving school, on the goggle box! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uilleachan Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 5 hours ago, panoma1 said: It ain't about charging, or even the charge! that is between the authorities and GP's......it was decided to go down this route as a public safety measure!..........So why should gun owners pay for something they didn't ask for, don't require and don't benefit from? Ask the Home Office, I'm just as nonplused as you. 5 hours ago, sportsbob said: Because the NHS is already paying them for this time or do you think they will do overtime or work in their lunch break to actually earn these fees The NHS pays them for NHS work, not non NHS work, there's no blank cheque. When I go to the Doctors for immunisation injections or anti malarials etc. I get the consultation on the NHS, but not the drugs, I have to agree to pay for it and at cost, not on subsidised prescription rates. I pay the chemist who order it in, I collect it and take it to the docs who administers it. My point is, only that which is on the public purse is on the public purse, it seems from GP charging and the very point of this thread, that review of medical records by your GP isn't on the public purse. I'm not saying I agree with it and I'm not saying it's right, but I do understand why GPs' would want to make a charge for providing a service that isn't immediately concerned with providing healthcare to their patient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, Uilleachan said: Ask the Home Office, I'm just as nonplused as you. The NHS pays them for NHS work, not non NHS work, there's no blank cheque. When I go to the Doctors for immunisation injections or anti malarials etc. I get the consultation on the NHS, but not the drugs, I have to agree to pay for it and at cost, not on subsidised prescription rates. I pay the chemist who order it in, I collect it and take it to the docs who administers it. My point is, only that which is on the public purse is on the public purse, it seems from GP charging and the very point of this thread, that review of medical records by your GP isn't on the public purse. I'm not saying I agree with it and I'm not saying it's right, but I do understand why GPs' would want to make a charge for providing a service that isn't immediately concerned with providing healthcare to their patient. Well if they hadn't, through their representative body the BMA, agreed it, it would not have been implemented! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 11 hours ago, toontastic said: What would you suggest as a suitable cost. There used to be a charge of £25 for a solicitors letter. Don't know what it is today. If they do the job properly then that involves time. Not so tedious today as he/she has the records at the tap of a key board. Also could have a ready printed letter stored on the machine which could have details added and printed in a couple of minutes. Ten minutes at most being generous. £100 an hour ???? £20 would more than cover it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 28 minutes ago, panoma1 said: Over 70's? Fit/unfit? That's nowt........You wanna watch 100 year old driving school, on the goggle box! HEH!! Watch it some oldies on here as well you know. Old bad drivers have ALWAYS been bad drivers. Have spent a lifetime avoiding them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 This was in the making years ago by Durham wanting medical references. A note was included in the renewal letter stating it was voluntary. Durham them selves stated it will become the norm, & FAC/SG holders would foot the bill, not the police. Basc has had 4-5yrs to prepare for this, the only way forward is to make a case of it & fight it in court. If not the membership will think what's the point, save the subscription & put it towards the medical fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 16 minutes ago, Bazooka Joe said: This was in the making years ago by Durham wanting medical references. A note was included in the renewal letter stating it was voluntary. Durham them selves stated it will become the norm, & FAC/SG holders would foot the bill, not the police. Basc has had 4-5yrs to prepare for this, the only way forward is to make a case of it & fight it in court. If not the membership will think what's the point, save the subscription & put it towards the medical fee. Ain't that the truth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 15 minutes ago, Bazooka Joe said: If not the membership will think what's the point, save the subscription & put it towards the medical fee. Now there's a good idea get the insurance from elsewhere at less than half the cost and the difference over a five year period will more than pay the fee. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 43 minutes ago, Bazooka Joe said: This was in the making years ago by Durham wanting medical references. A note was included in the renewal letter stating it was voluntary. Durham them selves stated it will become the norm, & FAC/SG holders would foot the bill, not the police. Basc has had 4-5yrs to prepare for this, the only way forward is to make a case of it & fight it in court. If not the membership will think what's the point, save the subscription & put it towards the medical fee. Good points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 Just in from a night on foxes dodging the rain. That's a good point as a BASC member and seeing the £2m in reserves this is the sort of item they should look to go to court over if they cannot negotiate a fair agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 I have now written to BASC on this subject urging them to consider a legal challenge if agreement cannot be reached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 (edited) I have been a WAGBI/BASC member for 50 years, if I see no strong positive action on this matter I will seriously be looking at taking my subs elsewhere, BASC, time to show your teeth. Edited March 31, 2018 by old'un Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, old'un said: I have been a WAGBI/BASC member for 50 years, if I see no strong positive action on this matter I will seriously be looking at taking my subs elsewhere, BASC, time to show your teeth. Don't hold your breath waiting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthedark Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 On 3/30/2018 at 11:10, stagboy said: Really? Car insurance is about £700, on average. A single driven pheasant is £30-£40.A brace of driven grouse is £200. An hour with a solicitor is £150-£250. Yep, really. They can add my voice to their lobbying power but I'm not paying £78 for the privilege. I don't mind contributing to the admin costs but i want value for money and that's not it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 Read through the Countryside Alliance's viewpoint in this link; http://www.countryside-alliance.org/home-office-firearms-proposal-ignores-safety-concerns/?utm_campaign=381725_Newsletter - 290318&utm_medium=dotmailer&utm_source=Countryside Alliance&dm_i=44G9,86JH,1MJ09L,VY3A,1 I have more faith in the CA approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 And one of the reasons I binned basc and went for the CA. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browning123 Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 53 minutes ago, stevo said: And one of the reasons I binned basc and went for the CA. ? Likewise ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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