TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 I think as a realist, you get what you pay for! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseplant Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 Lapping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quentyn Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 On 08/07/2018 at 16:25, Dekers said: Let's be clear here, I'm not trying to be funny but I'm lost! Sportsmatch mounts are pretty good and better than most! Air Arms are pretty well engineered! generally! Nothing wrong with MTC! Are you seriously suggesting everyone with this combination (there must be a few) have to shim, if so I simply ask again, WHY, which bit/s don't work? Cheers well you can grab an AA S4XX/ S5XX series sports match low mounts MTC viper 4-16 or similar they will fit physically ( it will be close on the top of the barrel) but you wont zero without shimming the rear mount you can ask as many times as you wish but the above needs 1 shim to get it zeroed at 35 / 40 yds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, quentyn said: well you can grab an AA S4XX/ S5XX series sports match low mounts MTC viper 4-16 or similar they will fit physically ( it will be close on the top of the barrel) but you wont zero without shimming the rear mount you can ask as many times as you wish but the above needs 1 shim to get it zeroed at 35 / 40 yds The question was WHY, what is causing the problem? Edited July 10, 2018 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flynny Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 On 08/07/2018 at 19:05, flynny said: Point of aim is at max elevation and point of impact/ bullet is low Bring the scope down in elevation to hit his low point of impact???? bring POA into POI flynny Sorry gents, just re read the post , I gather hes ran out of downwards clicks on his scope? Flynny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted July 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 hour ago, flynny said: Sorry gents, just re read the post , I gather hes ran out of downwards clicks on his scope? Flynny No, he cannot get the reticule any higher. The bullets are striking low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 Turn the scope upside down.................................... I'll get me coat... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1066 Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 33 minutes ago, Graham M said: Turn the scope upside down.................................... I'll get me coat... Ahh yes, the old up for down and left for right trick - that 'll sort it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Graham M said: Turn the scope upside down.................................... I'll get me coat... If you have room to do it that is the correct answer, don't say I'll get my coat, not to shoot it that way but to check whether the scope is actually working through its entire range of clicks. If its the mounts it will do the same both ways up. you don't actually need to shoot it if you can bore sight it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Vince Green said: If you have room to do it that is the correct answer, don't say I'll get my coat, not to shoot it that way but to check whether the scope is actually working through its entire range of clicks. If its the mounts it will do the same both ways up. you don't actually need to shoot it if you can bore sight it Well there you go, although I feel that If the reticle won't go far enough in one direction, I doubt turning it upside down would matter as it would be the same in the other direction. I still can't see how an action with built in dovetails on it can be so far out as to not allow a set of mounts to line up. Edited July 10, 2018 by Graham M spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.C Posted July 11, 2018 Report Share Posted July 11, 2018 Reminds me of a tale where chap had a similar problem with running out of elevation adjustment. Turns out he was a lefty and mounted the scope to use left handed. This meant he was trying to use the windage turret for elevation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted July 11, 2018 Report Share Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Graham M said: Well there you go, although I feel that If the reticle won't go far enough in one direction, I doubt turning it upside down would matter as it would be the same in the other direction. I still can't see how an action with built in dovetails on it can be so far out as to not allow a set of mounts to line up. That has been my train of thought! Some scopes/rifles will potentially run out of adjustment at great distance. Someone on this thread has suggested they have to shim ALL their air rifle scopes which I find virtually unbelievable at air rifle distances (35-40 yards mentioned) unless there is a problem/fault somewhere! Edited July 11, 2018 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted July 11, 2018 Report Share Posted July 11, 2018 On 08/07/2018 at 16:19, steve_b_wales said: I mentioned this to him, and he said that he is using the same ammunition as before. Hopefully, when I meet up with him soon, I/We can get it sorted. hello, did you manage to sort out the zero problem steve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted July 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2018 13 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, did you manage to sort out the zero problem steve? Not yet. I mentioned to him about what's been said and suggested on here. He's going to check the rifle/scope out this coming weekend. I'm on night shifts so won't be able to help out. Hopefully, he will get it sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted July 11, 2018 Report Share Posted July 11, 2018 24 minutes ago, steve_b_wales said: Not yet. I mentioned to him about what's been said and suggested on here. He's going to check the rifle/scope out this coming weekend. I'm on night shifts so won't be able to help out. Hopefully, he will get it sorted. hello, lets hope so steve, ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted July 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2018 59 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, lets hope so steve, ? I've never had this problem with zeroing a scope, and to be honest, I don't think my mate has either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 11, 2018 Report Share Posted July 11, 2018 swap the scope rings around ...front for back ...back for front......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haynes Posted July 11, 2018 Report Share Posted July 11, 2018 Possibly even turning the rings 180 degrees might help. I've never had to shim any scope mounts. From cheap no name Chinese stuff through sports match and optiloc mounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseplant Posted July 12, 2018 Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 23 hours ago, Mr.C said: Reminds me of a tale where chap had a similar problem with running out of elevation adjustment. Turns out he was a lefty and mounted the scope to use left handed. This meant he was trying to use the windage turret for elevation. I've done this, just to try it. It was actually fine for 22LR out to 50 metres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 If The scope was ok on another rifle, and it would be pretty unlikely the Cz had an accuracy issue between the rail and the barrel, the only thing that’s questionable is he is using a different set of rings. So I would suspect those first. And I don’t quite understand Quentins post. I’ve had loads of air rifles, Hw, Aa,Daystate, Hawke, Niko Sterling, Mtc scopes. All fitted with sports match mounts, and have never had an issue. I really don,t understand this business of shimming. Of course a scope rail machined to get out to extreme distances is different and acceptable situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted July 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 6 hours ago, turbo33 said: If The scope was ok on another rifle, and it would be pretty unlikely the Cz had an accuracy issue between the rail and the barrel, the only thing that’s questionable is he is using a different set of rings. So I would suspect those first. And I don’t quite understand Quentins post. I’ve had loads of air rifles, Hw, Aa,Daystate, Hawke, Niko Sterling, Mtc scopes. All fitted with sports match mounts, and have never had an issue. I really don,t understand this business of shimming. Of course a scope rail machined to get out to extreme distances is different and acceptable situation. He sent me a text yesterday to say that 'it seems to be okay now'. I'm waiting to speak to him to see what, if anything he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 (edited) Quite a number of the comments on this thread don't seem to take into account that scopes are fragile and easily damaged. A lot of scopes have quite delicate threads on the adjustment mechanism, they can be damaged quite easily if dropped, even lightly, or over enthusiastically tightened beyond the limit of its travel. If you ever get an old broken scope make a point of cutting it open to see all the workings inside, its an education. Edited July 15, 2018 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quentyn Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) Gah this was meant to be a reply to turbo33's post but quoting doesnt seem to be working i am just speaking from experience, i like the lowest mounts possible. After being forced to shim my S510 and MPR i just got into the habit. I also hate to have to dial in huge amounts of elevation before I have even started shooting. I much prefer the scope to be around the optical center when I shoot ( no technical reason I just mentally prefer it this way) Anyway your mileage may vary Edited July 17, 2018 by quentyn missed quote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted July 21, 2018 Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) On 17/07/2018 at 22:39, quentyn said: Gah this was meant to be a reply to turbo33's post but quoting doesnt seem to be working i am just speaking from experience, i like the lowest mounts possible. After being forced to shim my S510 and MPR i just got into the habit. I also hate to have to dial in huge amounts of elevation before I have even started shooting. I much prefer the scope to be around the optical center when I shoot ( no technical reason I just mentally prefer it this way) Anyway your mileage may vary Thats the point of the elevation adjustment optics. Why would you want to put a perfectly engineered sensitive optic tube on the same perfectly engineered mounts, that are fitted to a block/rail that again, is machined with absurd accuracy and then lever up one end with a piece of coke can? Edited July 21, 2018 by turbo33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted July 21, 2018 Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 4 hours ago, turbo33 said: Thats the point of the elevation adjustment optics. Why would you want to put a perfectly engineered sensitive optic tube on the same perfectly engineered mounts, that are fitted to a block/rail that again, is machined with absurd accuracy and then lever up one end with a piece of coke can? Exactly !!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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