Plasterers...HELP PLEASE!

[Dekers]

Ok, I've just knocked off the sharp long drops on my bathroom ceiling aertex in preparation for skimming smooth and noticed an awful lot of the paint seems loose and pretty

easy to peel.

 

I really don't know it this is some sort of bathroom paint or silk type emulsion, but I get the impression that it was never applied properly from new, either still damp aertex or no sealer/mist coat or probably both!

Will PVA (even a couple of well thinned coats) solve this, or is there another sealer that I will need, or do I have to spend days trying to get the paint off? 

Cheers

 

 

Edited August 24, 2018 by Dekers

[B&W FOX]

Zinsser Bulls Eye 1-2-3 ,it goes along way and dries in 20 minuets

[Brodie]

Bulls Eye 123 is excellent but it's no good unless you're putting it on a good base. If the paint underneath is peeling or flaking the new sealer will just come off with the old paint layers. Get back to a sound surface.

[Rupert]

PVA will adhere to the paint, palster to the pva, if the paint is dodgy then it will all be on the floor in no time, Re board the ceiling then skim it smooth

[Paddy Galore!]

has that got asbestos in it? if it's pre 2000 then it probably has. i'd re board over the top of that and skim.

 

[Dekers]

House is 1986 which is about when I thought the asbestos went!?

I thought it was long before 2000......am I wrong?

[eddoakley]

1986 is pretty likely to have asbestos.

In any case the best solution is probably to over-board if it's possible.

Least mess, No asbestos to worry about and quicker and easier to skim.

Whatever you put on top of a peeling surface will only adhere to that surface and end up on the floor.

 

Edd

[millrace]

Anything pre 2000 and some after contains asbestos .....we now ONLY board over no scraping and skimimg over.....

On bright side saves worrying about skim onto artex onto paint thats peeling......for which there is no cure other than overboarding..........no matter what anyone else tells you on here.....!!!! 

[bear-uk]

Overboard it. or the other option is 

Overboard it. 

[Dekers]

Crumbs, I've learnt something there, for whatever reason I thought Asbestos went around 1986.

Well, I've been peeling paint with a scraper and certainly dislodged Aertex at the same time, was the asbestos in Aertex or plaster or both?

Either time to stop, or get some serious PPE and extractors I guess!

[bear-uk]

Overboard it, problem solved.

[Yellow Bear]

2 minutes ago, bear-uk said:

Overboard it, problem solved.

Safer, quicker  and in all probability cheaper,

[millrace]

The asbestos is in the artex....crysiolite or something like that its very small trace element but its still there surprisingly your toilet cystern if of same date will also contain it along with any vinyl/pvc floor tiles......

[JBS]

just overboard and skim, it’s the easiest method and best end result, I’ve overskimmed tons of this stuff and although possible it’s always a ball ache! Only ever lost one ceiling and that was due to distemper

[Scully]

The only option to remove the flaking would be to scrub it with a good hard brush before applying either Thistle Bond-it or Febond Blue Grit, prior to skimming, but, as others have said, ( and I have no idea when asbestos ceased to be added to products ) if there is indeed asbestos involved, then reboard and skim. It's not that easy to tell from the pic's, but I'd seek professional advice regarding the confirmation of the presence of asbestos.  

[oldypigeonpopper]

4 minutes ago, JBS said:

just overboard and skim, it’s the easiest method and best end result, I’ve overskimmed tons of this stuff and although possible it’s always a ball ache! Only ever lost one ceiling and that was due to distemper

hello, i would go for this as just had 2 ceilings done in my sons flat, 1960s building, i always thought asbestos was banned after 1990 thats why the building inspector recommended

[bear-uk]

900x1800x13 mm boards are around £5 each from Magnet. Obviously a tad more from Diy stores. That size is easily manageable  depending on ceiling height and a one man job. Box of 45mm screws and a Stanley knife and away you go. Asbestos hidden and sealed.  Simples.

[Duckandswing]

Amosite and crocidolite use was banned in 1985, whilst chrysotile was banned in 1999 I think. 

So structures constructed post 1999 shouldn’t have asbestos containing materials in them.

Anything before that date will or could.

[Dekers]

Thanks for comments/suggestions/advice, I had no idea it was that recently that asbestos got the boot!

[Dekers]

Thanks everyone, opening this up a bit, I'm going to need several rooms skimming soon, does anyone know a decent plasterer near Reading who doesn't charge silly money, the last guy I had was shocking!

Cheers

[Paddy Galore!]

hi dekers, blue and brown asbestos were banned in '85, white or crysotile was banned in 1999/2000. it's not as dangerous as the blue and brown as they have a different structure, but it can still do you some damage. luckily the white asbestos isn't hydrophobic and it can be dampened down to help clean it up, the only problem is now you've de nibbed the ceiling it's probably all through your house.

[Dekers]

18 hours ago, Paddy Galore! said:

hi dekers, blue and brown asbestos were banned in '85, white or crysotile was banned in 1999/2000. it's not as dangerous as the blue and brown as they have a different structure, but it can still do you some damage. luckily the white asbestos isn't hydrophobic and it can be dampened down to help clean it up, the only problem is now you've de nibbed the ceiling it's probably all through your house.

Oh dear...thanks!