ditchman Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 Can someone explain to me ..why Gibralter is just so important to Spain..........Gib is nothing but a rock in the Med'...most of the income people earn is from folk from Gib working in Spain... I can understand the military side of it ...during the first and 2nd world war...controlling access to the |Med.............but why Spain wants it so bad i cant understand......Gib is not a great manufacturing country...it dosnt have any resorces of its own....OK ...it has a bit of holiday trade............ can anyone explain "why" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibble Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 Have you ever heard of Cetua https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceuta Or Melilla https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melilla Two Spanish cities in Africa there situation is remarkably similar to Gib. And the Canary Isles are just like a sunnier Falklands with goats instead of sheep. No idea why Uk politicians never mention this when Gibralter is brought up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 I've never understood why Spain wants it back. We should say we will consider handing it back when you relinquish all the islands owned or ran by the Spanish . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 Gibralter is British! Ceded to Britain under the Treaty of Urecht in 1713..... Spanish tried to take it back several times in the next 75 years. If Britain had not occupied the Rock, our history would be very different! Before anyone starts criticising Britain, they should look at it,s entire history. It belonged to the Moors before Spain. It was vital to our success in 2 World Wars! The people there have had 2 Referendums in the last 50 years, and each time have voted to stay British by 95% plus majorities! It controls entry into, or out of the Med, invaluable in wartime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted November 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 37 minutes ago, pinfireman said: Gibralter is British! Ceded to Britain under the Treaty of Urecht in 1713..... Spanish tried to take it back several times in the next 75 years. If Britain had not occupied the Rock, our history would be very different! Before anyone starts criticising Britain, they should look at it,s entire history. It belonged to the Moors before Spain. It was vital to our success in 2 World Wars! The people there have had 2 Referendums in the last 50 years, and each time have voted to stay British by 95% plus majorities! It controls entry into, or out of the Med, invaluable in wartime. wooowww....keep your nickers on.............we all agree with what you say....................... what i want to know is....WHY DO SPAIN WANT IT SO BAD.....Spain is a broken economy and it would be a drain on their scant resorce's...........The 3rd world war (when it happens) Gib will have no effect on the outcome whatsoever............. why are spain so keen on getting hold of it ................just tell me someone >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
besty57 Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 54 minutes ago, pinfireman said: Gibralter is British! Ceded to Britain under the Treaty of Urecht in 1713..... Spanish tried to take it back several times in the next 75 years. If Britain had not occupied the Rock, our history would be very different! Before anyone starts criticising Britain, they should look at it,s entire history. It belonged to the Moors before Spain. It was vital to our success in 2 World Wars! The people there have had 2 Referendums in the last 50 years, and each time have voted to stay British by 95% plus majorities! It controls entry into, or out of the Med, invaluable in wartime. Only 95%,surprised they didnt cry for a third referendum,😪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, figgy said: I've never understood why Spain wants it back. We should say we will consider handing it back when you relinquish all the islands owned or ran by the Spanish . Edited November 22, 2018 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 Gib does have a strategic value as all shipping above and below surface is monitored 24 /7 in and out of the med . Not that it would help the Spaniards who are not exactly a military nation . They never forgave us for sinking The armada. harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 I always thought it was a diversion tactic. Elections and economy going bad in Argentina - sabre rattle "The Malvinas". Problems in Scotland - sabre rattle "Independence". Spain - going down the pan - sabre rattle "Gibraltar". None of these are realistic, but divert the masses from the incompetence of their Government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, Gordon R said: I always thought it was a diversion tactic. Elections and economy going bad in Argentina - sabre rattle "The Malvinas". Problems in Scotland - sabre rattle "Independence". Spain - going down the pan - sabre rattle "Gibraltar". None of these are realistic, but divert the masses from the incompetence of their Government. This. More ammo to make Brexit as hard as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 How to make a remainers day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 Simple answer. The fishing waters around it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted November 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 24 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said: Simple answer. The fishing waters around it. i thought the med was fished out ............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, ditchman said: i thought the med was fished out ............. Probably is but it will be a big part of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 A fully equipped naval base, freight terminal , dry docks, marina. A fully equipped international airport/ military airbase, barracks. Gibraltar's economy is based largely on tourism, online gambling, financial services and cargo ship refuelling, all very lucrative incomes for a hungry Spanish government. 30000 tax payers, some very well off. Theres also the national pride and prestige of removing this thorn out of the side of Spanish history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Harnser said: Gib does have a strategic value as all shipping above and below surface is monitored 24 /7 in and out of the med . Not that it would help the Spaniards who are not exactly a military nation . They never forgave us for sinking The armada. harnser Is probably the right answer? It will be of tremendous importance to the members of the United European State, once we are out of the frame it would soon be utilised by the alliance to dominate the seaway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted November 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 17 minutes ago, old man said: Is probably the right answer? It will be of tremendous importance to the members of the United European State, once we are out of the frame it would soon be utilised by the alliance to dominate the seaway? So the EU/spain............will try and use it as a Toll Gate for none EU countries ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 43 minutes ago, Rewulf said: A fully equipped naval base, freight terminal , dry docks, marina. A fully equipped international airport/ military airbase, barracks. Gibraltar's economy is based largely on tourism, online gambling, financial services and cargo ship refuelling, all very lucrative incomes for a hungry Spanish government. 30000 tax payers, some very well off. Theres also the national pride and prestige of removing this thorn out of the side of Spanish history. Rewriting history is a communist trait! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 2 hours ago, ditchman said: So the EU/spain............will try and use it as a Toll Gate for none EU countries ? Could be quite a useful launch platform if 'dismay' doesn't give it away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 I would say a few folk have nailed it with the comments above, and i hope we don't give it up, what next the Falklands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 7 hours ago, ditchman said: wooowww....keep your nickers on.............we all agree with what you say....................... what i want to know is....WHY DO SPAIN WANT IT SO BAD.....Spain is a broken economy and it would be a drain on their scant resorce's...........The 3rd world war (when it happens) Gib will have no effect on the outcome whatsoever............. why are spain so keen on getting hold of it ................just tell me someone >> Why did Argentina want the Falklands? Easy, when the government is in trouble, they turn the public,s attention to "emotional" things, like Spanish claims to Gibralter, and the Argies to the Falklands! 5 hours ago, Harnser said: Gib does have a strategic value as all shipping above and below surface is monitored 24 /7 in and out of the med . Not that it would help the Spaniards who are not exactly a military nation . They never forgave us for sinking The armada. harnser Exactly! 5 hours ago, Gordon R said: I always thought it was a diversion tactic. Elections and economy going bad in Argentina - sabre rattle "The Malvinas". Problems in Scotland - sabre rattle "Independence". Spain - going down the pan - sabre rattle "Gibraltar". None of these are realistic, but divert the masses from the incompetence of their Government. Correct Gordon! 4 hours ago, Rewulf said: A fully equipped naval base, freight terminal , dry docks, marina. A fully equipped international airport/ military airbase, barracks. Gibraltar's economy is based largely on tourism, online gambling, financial services and cargo ship refuelling, all very lucrative incomes for a hungry Spanish government. 30000 tax payers, some very well off. Theres also the national pride and prestige of removing this thorn out of the side of Spanish history. A thorn that was self inflicted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted November 23, 2018 Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 23 hours ago, Mice! said: I would say a few folk have nailed it with the comments above, and i hope we don't give it up, what next the Falklands? Mm, no doubt that's been thought about, if the population hadn't gone ape it would have gone already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted November 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 the question still remains .............why does spain want gib ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted November 23, 2018 Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 Seems like they are really getting into a spin, hope they disappear up their own euro zone. 2 hours ago, ditchman said: the question still remains .............why does spain want gib ?? Cause we took it off them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 15 hours ago, old man said: Seems like they are really getting into a spin, hope they disappear up their own euro zone. Cause we took it off them? We took the Phillipines off them once too, 60 years after Gib. We handed it back after 2 years for a cash deal, guess what ? They never paid it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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