Amazing just how Essex Police deal with drugs

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Here is a link to a BBC article about a "dangerous bath of cocaine"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-46334948

I presume the idiots who use this stuff should have been using the "safe" stuff!

[dead eye alan]

 

  The death is unexplained, ----------------------- Let me explain, take illegal drugs take a chance of dying. 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

From the link;

"Det Insp Kev Hughes, of Essex Police, said earlier: "We are concerned there may be a potentially dangerous batch of drugs being sold in the area which pose a direct threat to the safety of those who've bought them and are using them.

"We understand members of a birthday party were out drinking in the Shrub End area of Colchester yesterday, at some point during the evening cocaine was purchased and taken by some people at the party.

"I have concerns for the safety of anyone whom may have bought cocaine in Colchester or surrounding areas in the last 24 hours or so, and would appeal to you not to take it."

He said anyone feeling unwell after taking the drugs should seek immediate medical attention.

Essex Police said the death at present was being treated as unexplained."

 

You really couldn't make it up!

Edited November 26, 2018 by TIGHTCHOKE
Syntax

[Rewulf]

Cocaine in most parts of this country is of very low strength in 'actual' cocaine.
A typical % is 5 % cocaine , with the rest being made up of amphetimines , novocaine and various cheap cutting agents.
Some drug dealers take a 5 % cocaine mix off their suppliers and further cut it with anything they can get their hands on, flour, coffee mate, protein powder.
Things that really shouldnt be inhaled into your sinus's and lungs.
It only takes one brain dead dealer to cut it with something really stupid to cause deaths.

Which is perhaps what the police are alluding to in this case ?
You might think 'Well why dont they just say that ?'
Probably because theyve used the line before, and no one took any notice anyway ?

There isnt good and bad cocaine, there are just different strengths and additives.
Just like there arent good and bad users, all are equally stupid, and carefree of their health and life.
 

[pinfireman]

22 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Cocaine in most parts of this country is of very low strength in 'actual' cocaine.
A typical % is 5 % cocaine , with the rest being made up of amphetimines , novocaine and various cheap cutting agents.
Some drug dealers take a 5 % cocaine mix off their suppliers and further cut it with anything they can get their hands on, flour, coffee mate, protein powder.
Things that really shouldnt be inhaled into your sinus's and lungs.
It only takes one brain dead dealer to cut it with something really stupid to cause deaths.

Which is perhaps what the police are alluding to in this case ?
You might think 'Well why dont they just say that ?'
Probably because theyve used the line before, and no one took any notice anyway ?

There isnt good and bad cocaine, there are just different strengths and additives.
Just like there arent good and bad users, all are equally stupid, and carefree of their health and life.
 

Correct!

[Diss4111]

Living in a rural part of Essex not far from Colchester I can tell you that Cocaine is rife, there are 2 pubs I know of where you can buy it cheaper and easier than you get served at the bar. Essex Plod aren't interested, 

[Harnser]

The thing that amazes me is that people who take these drugs are prepared to buy this stuff of some scum bag in the street and not knowing what’s in it . It’s time the users are treated the same way as the pushers and sent to prison . After all no users ,no pushers .

harnser

[toontastic]

Can somebody please show me where it says the person who died took drugs, I can't seem to find that bit.

[Rewulf]

3 minutes ago, Harnser said:

The thing that amazes me is that people who take these drugs are prepared to buy this stuff of some scum bag in the street and not knowing what’s in it . It’s time the users are treated the same way as the pushers and sent to prison . After all no users ,no pushers .

harnser

Believe it or not, very few people buy drugs off scabby people in shop doorways these days.

Many have a 'friend' who negotiates bulk buys off another 'friend' then shares out the haul.
Few people understand the staggering % of younger people who partake of cocaine on an average night out.
The fact that more people dont come to more harm due to this , is probably down to low levels of active narcotics in the purchased 'drugs'
The main problem with cocaine though is not so much the physical effects on the body , but more the mental effects.
People under the influence have a much higher propensity to violence, they feel untouchable, stronger.
Ask any doorman about battles with 8 stone wet through 18 year olds that really did think they were going to take all 4, 20 stone door staff on 😃

[Danger-Mouse]

12 minutes ago, Harnser said:

The thing that amazes me is that people who take these drugs are prepared to buy this stuff of some scum bag in the street and not knowing what’s in it . It’s time the users are treated the same way as the pushers and sent to prison . After all no users ,no pushers .

harnser

Yeah, because that's worked out great in America hasn't it?

[Retsdon]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Zero-Roberto-Saviano/dp/1846147697

It's an eye opening book about the cocaine trade. Everyone's involved in it. The street dealers  are just the ones picking the crumbs off the floor.

[Danger-Mouse]

2 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Believe it or not, very few people buy drugs off scabby people in shop doorways these days.

Many have a 'friend' who negotiates bulk buys off another 'friend' then shares out the haul.
Few people understand the staggering % of younger people who partake of cocaine on an average night out.
 😃

Pretty accurate I would say.

Not just youngsters though. A large number of users are respectable middle class types.

[oowee]

Everywhere you go on a night out it seems the norm. I don't think I have had a blokes night in the last 10 years without there being some about, either from the guests or the entertainers. 

[grrclark]

I know many people who take cocaine, some are young and daft and a few are extremely successful, responsible and reasonable individuals.  None of them are bad people.

Despite what the PW collective may think about it recreational drugs use in the UK is rife and like most alcohol drinkers the vast majority of those who indulge are unremarkable in their behaviour.

Of course in the perfect world there would be no recreational drugs, but that isn’t going to happen in my lifetime and nor will it hapen in the lifetime of anybody else on PW, or their kids, grandkids, great grandkids, etc, etc

I daresay there would be some on here that would be content for all those who indulge in recreational drugs to die from a bad batch, after all they are breaking the law and deserve all they get.

For myself, given that drugs are not going to ever go away and have been here for as long as man has, I would far rather that we avoid unecccessary deaths and the attendant suffering of families and friends by issuing statements that there are bad batches of drugs being sold instead of closing out eyes to the problem and letting folk die.

Of course those who indulge are always taking a greater risk than those who don’t.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Just now, grrclark said:

I know many people who take cocaine, some are young and daft and a few are extremely successful, responsible and reasonable individuals.  None of them are bad people.

Despite what the PW collective may think about it recreational drugs use in the UK is rife and like most alcohol drinkers the vast majority of those who indulge are unremarkable in their behaviour.

Of course in the perfect world there would be no recreational drugs, but that isn’t going to happen in my lifetime and nor will it hapen in the lifetime of anybody else on PW, or their kids, grandkids, great grandkids, etc, etc

I daresay there would be some on here that would be content for all those who indulge in recreational drugs to die from a bad batch, after all they are breaking the law and deserve all they get.

For myself, given that drugs are not going to ever go away and have been here for as long as man has, I would far rather that we avoid unecccessary deaths and the attendant suffering of families and friends by issuing statements that there are bad batches of drugs being sold instead of closing out eyes to the problem and letting folk die.

Of course those who indulge are always taking a greater risk than those who don’t.

Except they are breaking the law and encouraging illegal drug use.

[grrclark]

13 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Except they are breaking the law and encouraging illegal drug use.

I know countless people who break the law everyday in life Dave, all of them own a car or motorbike.

I don’t consider them bad people either.

My measure of what makes a bad person is not an absolute based on whether they break the law or not.

[silver pigeon69]

5 hours ago, Rewulf said:

Cocaine in most parts of this country is of very low strength in 'actual' cocaine.
A typical % is 5 % cocaine , with the rest being made up of amphetimines , novocaine and various cheap cutting agents.
Some drug dealers take a 5 % cocaine mix off their suppliers and further cut it with anything they can get their hands on, flour, coffee mate, protein powder.
Things that really shouldnt be inhaled into your sinus's and lungs.
It only takes one brain dead dealer to cut it with something really stupid to cause deaths.

Which is perhaps what the police are alluding to in this case ?
You might think 'Well why dont they just say that ?'
Probably because theyve used the line before, and no one took any notice anyway ?

There isnt good and bad cocaine, there are just different strengths and additives.
Just like there arent good and bad users, all are equally stupid, and carefree of their health and life.
 

I heard the complete opposite. Apparently most drugs are the strongest, highest % they have ever been? This was put down to the greater amount of users and therefore dealers around now, all touting for business, and the fact that you can buy them on the internet, Dark web! I will try and find the documentary. They bought some cocaine in London off of an unknown street dealer (Leicester square??) and tested it. It came back at >60%! (Maybe just in London?)

2 minutes ago, grrclark said:

I know countless people who break the law everyday in life Dave, all of them own a car or motorbike.

I don’t consider them bad people either.

My measure of what makes a bad person is not an absolute based on whether they break the law or not.

Where does one draw the line? Speeding (in a car, not taking speed!!😂) Taking "cash in hand"?

[grrclark]

4 minutes ago, silver pigeon69 said:

Where does one draw the line? Speeding (in a car, not taking speed!!😂) Taking "cash in hand"?

If using the law as an absolute measure then the line has to be anything that is in breach of the law.

So dropping litter, not picking up dog waste, parking in an opposite direction to the flow of traffic withing leaving a light on in the hours of darkness, parking with wheels on the pavement, cycling on a pavement, speeding, eating or drinking whilst driving, downloading music without paying for it, not paying a TV license, etc.

If the law is the measure of responsibility or badness then it’s all of the above.

[JohnfromUK]

If you choose to take this stuff (illegally), and it goes wrong and you drop dead - well it was your choice.  You knew the risks.

NO sympathy.

[grrclark]

2 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

If you choose to take this stuff (illegally), and it goes wrong and you drop dead - well it was your choice.  You knew the risks.

NO sympathy.

Yep, it is choice.

Would you advocate the police not advising of known bad batches in an area?

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, grrclark said:

Would you advocate the police not advising of known bad batches in an area?

I would leave that up to those (the police?) who know whether it would be worthwhile to do so.  I suspect it makes little difference.

[Rewulf]

21 minutes ago, grrclark said:

Of course in the perfect world there would be no recreational drugs, 

Would that be a perfect world ?
No alcohol , no cigarettes, tobacco , all recreational drugs are they not ?
Just some are legal, some are not.

Humans have been taking drugs for recreation since long before there were laws to control them.

What we have is a controlled situation, where the alcohol or tobacco that you purchase legally is deemed 'safe'
The only control you need after that is yourself, you can easily purchase enough spirits to kill yourself , but the millions of people who buy it every day tend to not to that.
You could apply this rule to tobacco, you believe the stuff you buy out the shop isnt going to kill you, not immediately anyway, but there is dodgy Chinese stuff around that is , along with home distilled 'moonshine' considered to be deadly.
Is this true? Or just out of the control of authority?

The whole weed issue is a classic example too.

Cocaine used to be legal, as did opium and its later derivatives, ecstasy and speed were legal till the 1980 s , because hardly anyone used them .
When they were considered problematic, read- popular,  they got banned/controlled.
Were they ever any more dangerous than smoking or drinking  ?

Like I said , the issue is contamination via cutting, very few people have ever died from a cocaine overdose.
It pales into insignificance compared to deaths caused by smoking and alcohol.

20 minutes ago, silver pigeon69 said:

I heard the complete opposite. Apparently most drugs are the strongest, highest % they have ever been? This was put down to the greater amount of users and therefore dealers around now, all touting for business, and the fact that you can buy them on the internet, Dark web! I will try and find the documentary. They bought some cocaine in London off of an unknown street dealer (Leicester square??) and tested it. It came back at >60%! (Maybe just in London?)

Sometimes people make programmes that simply dont reflect the real world, its lazy journalism , or motivated to show a particular , biased result.
Ive never heard of anyone in this country buying drugs off 'The dark web' - why would you ?
60 % coke off the street , total Bull , Im afraid !
They would be queuing round the block, which sort of defeats the object!

[Danger-Mouse]

3 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Sometimes people make programmes that simply dont reflect the real world, its lazy journalism , or motivated to show a particular , biased result.
Ive never heard of anyone in this country buying drugs off 'The dark web' - why would you ?
60 % coke off the street , total Bull , Im afraid !
They would be queuing round the block, which sort of defeats the object!

Nope, his figures are correct.

https://www.drugwise.org.uk/how-pure-are-street-drugs/

Apparently purity has been on the rise for close to a decade.

[grrclark]

Rewulf, you’re preaching to the converted in this respect, I wholeheartedly agree which is why I went on to say that recreational drugs have existed as long as man and of course will continue to live on as long as we do.

Every culture in the world has their own take on it too.

[Rewulf]

Just now, grrclark said:

Rewulf, you’re preaching to the converted in this respect, I wholeheartedly agree which is why I went on to say that recreational drugs have existed as long as man and of course will continue to live on as long as we do.

Every culture in the world has their own take on it too.

Sorry ,I did realise that, should have made it clear I wasnt disagreeing with the sentiment.
Just my take on it