button Posted December 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 Just now, CityTurnedCountryMan said: Securing the keys, hiding them or keeping them on your person. FEO simply asked me to tick 1 of the three options on his form for wht I was currently doing which was hiding them. He had no issue with this. But again the FEO's in Scotland seem to be a little different than England Which part of PS do you call under if you don't mind me asking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityTurnedCountryMan Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 Police Scotland is now all the same force with the same process for Firearms processing but I am based in the central borders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawyet Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 I was told by my FEO (East Cheshire) that on renewal they were going to be looking for key storage in a "Digital Key Safe". Since moved my guns to Gwynedd & the FEO there said they thought that was ridiculous! Continuity would assist us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hod Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, button said: Which part of PS do you call under if you don't mind me asking? Mine was Police Scotland, Midlothian and I was asked the same ‘one of three’ options. The FEO was a civilian but a retired officer, he has been doing it for donkeys. Certainly seemed to know his stuff and was straightforward and helpful. Think it was about 2 years ago now so they may have changed their forms/procedures/interpreting of the guidelines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityTurnedCountryMan Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 From my experience and knowledge so far Police Scotland seem to have done a really good job with Firearms licencing. I applied for a grant on September 12th and have been told to expect my certificate in the next 2 weeks which will be 12 weeks from start to finish. Bare in mind this is a grant not even a renewal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted December 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 33 minutes ago, CityTurnedCountryMan said: Police Scotland is now all the same force with the same process for Firearms processing but I am based in the central borders While the same force they still have the units in each area before PS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityTurnedCountryMan Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 Just now, button said: While the same force they still have the units in each area before PS They do but they all follow exactly the same process. Into the wilderness (the Pace brothers) did 2 over hour long podcasts with Frasier Lamb who at the time was head of Police Scotland Firearms licencing. I would recommend a listen: https://paceproductionsuk.libsyn.com/24-part-1-firearms-licencing-from-police-hq-rifle-calibre-restrictions-public-safety https://paceproductionsuk.libsyn.com/24-part-2-gun-security-firearms-licencing-from-police-hq-rifle-calibre-restrictions-public-safety Also available on iTunes and Soundcloud etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted December 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 minute ago, CityTurnedCountryMan said: They do but they all follow exactly the same process. Into the wilderness (the Pace brothers) did 2 over hour long podcasts with Frasier Lamb who at the time was head of Police Scotland Firearms licencing. I would recommend a listen: https://paceproductionsuk.libsyn.com/24-part-1-firearms-licencing-from-police-hq-rifle-calibre-restrictions-public-safety https://paceproductionsuk.libsyn.com/24-part-2-gun-security-firearms-licencing-from-police-hq-rifle-calibre-restrictions-public-safety Also available on iTunes and Soundcloud etc. Thanks for that will listen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) I am under Dumfries and Galloway , did my renewal about a year ago , the young lady pc asked were my keys were , in me pocket , fine she said , checked cabinet and me gun . No problems . Edited December 5, 2018 by johnphilip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcMaxus Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 15 hours ago, KB1 said: My FEO asked where I keep my keys.... I said "I'm not telling you, its a secret"😀 He said, "Good answer". Same here. I always have mine on me and the spare set in a digi safe hidden away. There are some decent digi safes on fleabay for around 15 quid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterGain Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 Key security wasn't an issue when I renewed my SGC earlier this year with North Yorks police. They didn't visit me or have any other contact, it was just a case of send off the renewal papers and get renewed SGC about 6 weeks later. Looks like an example of regional disparity/lack of consistency in licence requirements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 6 hours ago, MartynGT4 said: Get a proper key safe and bolt it to a wall somewhere, as others have said the cheap keypad 'safes' are hopelessly insecure. What do you do with the keys to the key safe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 22 minutes ago, Scully said: What do you do with the keys to the key safe? He’s got a cheap keypad safe for those Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, old'un said: He’s got a cheap keypad safe for those 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB1 Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 6 hours ago, Sawyet said: Continuity would assist us all. Not to mention consistency😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Scully said: What do you do with the keys to the key safe? hide them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 There's some codswollop around. Some plonkers come up with an amazing idea to increase security, without actually having the brain switched on. And nobody with the sphericals to tell them so. Gun safe keys in the house give any person who finds them free access to all they need. yes they need to find them, but they have a dam sight more chance than if they were with the occupier out doing the weekly shopping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 33 minutes ago, Dougy said: There's some codswollop around. Some plonkers come up with an amazing idea to increase security, without actually having the brain switched on. And nobody with the sphericals to tell them so. Gun safe keys in the house give any person who finds them free access to all they need. yes they need to find them, but they have a dam sight more chance than if they were with the occupier out doing the weekly shopping. So if the gun safe keys are kept in your possession at all times do you also keep the spare set in the other pocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 I have never being asked by my FEO or anyone else were i keep my safe keys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 Just now, toontastic said: So if the gun safe keys are kept in your possession at all times do you also keep the spare set in the other pocket. Do you work for the Scotish fire arm department by any chance ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 52 minutes ago, ordnance said: I have never being asked by my FEO or anyone else were i keep my safe keys. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 Gordon Bennett! Just hide them in your house for crying out loud! The only use a key safe has is if it’s been used as a decoy and is in fact welded shut containing keys to anything but your cabinets. We all live in houses where if you use your imagination we can find a foolproof place for keys.....the secret is remembering where we hid them, as I know to my cost! 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotgcoalman Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 Only once have Durham made an un anounced visit asking my wife for the keys to inspect my cabinets. "I think he's got them with him" was the answer. never bothered me since. Best place is up ones bottom and time motions to suit when you want to go shooting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 34 minutes ago, Scully said: Gordon Bennett! Just hide them in your house for crying out loud! The only use a key safe has is if it’s been used as a decoy and is in fact welded shut containing keys to anything but your cabinets. We all live in houses where if you use your imagination we can find a foolproof place for keys.....the secret is remembering where we hid them, as I know to my cost! 😃 Dont drag Gorden into this for goodness sake. He has some weird ideas about hiding keys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 👍As does gotcoalman by the sound of it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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