nicknsd1978 Posted February 26, 2019 Report Share Posted February 26, 2019 Have a silver pigeon sportier with the usual white bead. Thinking of removing the bead all together or swapping it for one of the small silver round ones. I mount the gun most nights at home and can’t help but always seeing it no matter how much you try and train your eyes to look through it....it’s always there. Don’t like messing with things though so don’t know whether it’s worth it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted February 26, 2019 Report Share Posted February 26, 2019 Bead snapped off my Perazzi a couple of months ago and I havent replaced it. Maybe just a coincidence but I have shot better recently than I have for a long time so wont be rushing to have it reinstalled any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicknsd1978 Posted February 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2019 Perrazi.....guess you have been shooting a while, I have heard a few people say this. Guess it’s easy enough to either fit a new one or put the old one back on if required Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted February 26, 2019 Report Share Posted February 26, 2019 Why not just dab a bit of black marker pen over the white. Cheap and easy to see how you go. I like the bead on my guns as reference for checking mount. Each to their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted February 26, 2019 Report Share Posted February 26, 2019 Dont have beads on mine . Find them too distracting . Prefer to look at the bird not the gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, nicknsd1978 said: Perrazi.....guess you have been shooting a while, I have heard a few people say this. Guess it’s easy enough to either fit a new one or put the old one back on if required Started shooting in my early 20’s and I am now 52 so quite a few years! In my case the bead snapped and left the stub in the hole so needs a trip to a gunsmith to get sorted. But I am used to it now without a bead so probably won’t bother although it does look a bit tatty without it!! Edited February 27, 2019 by Wingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 8 hours ago, nicknsd1978 said: Have a silver pigeon sportier with the usual white bead. Thinking of removing the bead all together or swapping it for one of the small silver round ones. I mount the gun most nights at home and can’t help but always seeing it no matter how much you try and train your eyes to look through it....it’s always there. Don’t like messing with things though so don’t know whether it’s worth it If you’re mounting the gun at home then you will see it all the time as you have nothing else to look at! Once you have learned to get a consistent mount you could remove it, but until then, how are you going to check correct alignment without it? I have two beads on most of my guns, which I use to check my mount, but when out shooting I don’t notice them as my concentration is on the bird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 9 hours ago, nicknsd1978 said: Have a silver pigeon sportier with the usual white bead. Thinking of removing the bead all together or swapping it for one of the small silver round ones. I mount the gun most nights at home and can’t help but always seeing it no matter how much you try and train your eyes to look through it....it’s always there. Don’t like messing with things though so don’t know whether it’s worth it As Scully says you are looking at nothing other than the bead when mounting the gun at home. Don’t make a habit of it or you will lose the psychological battle with your gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 I don't see the bead on my gun when shooting, only when checking my mount if I got different clothes on or I feel stiff and gun don't feel like it fits me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicknsd1978 Posted February 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 Decisions decisions don’t know what to do...I think allot of it is actually psychological so if I just remove it, The problem goes away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 30 minutes ago, nicknsd1978 said: Decisions decisions don’t know what to do...I think allot of it is actually psychological so if I just remove it, The problem goes away No you will just find something else to concentrate upon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbob Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 26 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: No you will just find something else to concentrate upon. Got to say I agree with this. If your mounting the gun at home you'll no doubt see the bead. I do and its a good indicator your mounting the gun correctly or not. If you out in field you'll be looking at the bird not the bead so it will no register. If your looking at the bead will taking the shot regardless if the bead is there or not you will only focus on the end of barrels. Forget the bead and just look at the target and shoot the gun the rest will fall into place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 Hmm I guess that all the gun manufacturers put the beads on because it serves no useful purpose 😙 just use it as a guide when you practice your mount but try to look past it to a fixed point all the best of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 46 minutes ago, Jbob said: Got to say I agree with this. If your mounting the gun at home you'll no doubt see the bead. I do and its a good indicator your mounting the gun correctly or not. If you out in field you'll be looking at the bird not the bead so it will no register. If your looking at the bead will taking the shot regardless if the bead is there or not you will only focus on the end of barrels. Forget the bead and just look at the target and shoot the gun the rest will fall into place. This! if you focus on the bead (in the field) the target will be a blurry apparition, but because you will be looking for and acquiring your target, your focus will be there (unless of course you have Superman vision!) Mounting at home and getting the bead in the right place will serve you well in the field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: No you will just find something else to concentrate upon. Let’s not ask what chokes he’s using 😀😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbob Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 37 minutes ago, impala59 said: This! if you focus on the bead (in the field) the target will be a blurry apparition, but because you will be looking for and acquiring your target, your focus will be there (unless of course you have Superman vision!) Mounting at home and getting the bead in the right place will serve you well in the field Maybe the gun mount needs more practice. If the OP is looking at the bead and not the target when taking the shot then maybe the mount is not correct and the focus is subconsciously on the bead to ensure the gun is mounted properly. If your mount is consistent and right each time there is no need to look at the bead only the target. I am only assuming here and maybe the OP has got his mount sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 If your mount is correct, all you should see at the end of your barrel is your own eye looking back at you...assuming you’re doing it in a mirror. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 I shot a Browning B2000 for years that didn't have a bead and didn't really notice any different. My only regret was having a bead put on it then stupidly selling the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 Take the bead off .it only serves to catch on your hide net .and distract you when you should be concentrating on your bird .. The same cant be said for a red dot sight though .Some people will cry and disagree with me .but i find a red dot (or ring is better ) doesnt distract as it floats in the air and gives a gentle reference point for lead . Imo . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 7 hours ago, nicknsd1978 said: Decisions decisions don’t know what to do...I think allot of it is actually psychological so if I just remove it, The problem goes away Use the marker pen and colour the bead out and then shoot the gun for a while to assess the results. At least that costs nothing to try ? As has been said, when you are dry mounting the gun, you WILL see the bead, as you have nothing else to focus on. Ask yourself IF you see the bead when you are actually shooting at a moving target. Just as point of interest, I am just about to clean my 30 years old Beretta auto after shooting a 100 bird sporting today. I have had to go and have a look at the gun to check what sort of bead it had, if any at all ! 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 What are you dry mounting onto? I dry mount onto a dot at eye level on a mirror it tells me exact where the mount is and I had my guns made without beads. As for red dots they must work as I see all the top clay shooter and game shooters using them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Ultrastu said: Take the bead off .it only serves to catch on your hide net .and distract you when you should be concentrating on your bird .. The same cant be said for a red dot sight though .Some people will cry and disagree with me .but i find a red dot (or ring is better ) doesnt distract as it floats in the air and gives a gentle reference point for lead . Imo . Is there any need to even mount the gun if you’re using a red dot? Could you not shoot it from the hip? If you’re looking for a red dot, at which point do you look at the target? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 Scully you should try one mate . Honestly you dont ever look at the red ring. You concentrate on the bird . The ring just helps solve any gun mount issues or eye dominance problems ..i took mine to a clay shoot last year .the guy who runs it and was loading the traps was interested in my gun , so had a go with it . He fired at 4 clays and smashed all 4 first time .. Wow he says that was easy. My long heavy , heads up pumper didnt need to fit him he just swung the red ring infront of the clay and fired .job done. Ps i guess if you mounted your red dot high enough to see through it when shooting from the hip then yes you would hit your target. Just now, Scully said: Is there any need to even mount the gun if you’re using a red dot? Could you not shoot it from the hip? If you’re looking for a red dot, at which point do you look at the target? Just re read your post .its not a red dot laser .its a holographic sight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicknsd1978 Posted February 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 Thanks everyone obviously mixed opinions. Think I’ll leave it on, as someone says they wouldn’t put them on in the first place if they weren’t required. I dry mount onto the ceiling line, onto to pattern of the wall paper, onto door handles, looking up the stairs at the fire alarm. I try various different things just to try and help mounting in different varied situations. I’m very comfortable with my mount so not doubting this. When thinking about when I’m shooting, if I’m honest the majority of times I couldn’t tell you where the bead was but if I think about the obvious stupid shots Iv missed (more often than not) I could probably tell you exactly where the bead was....I think that says it all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 28 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: Scully you should try one mate . Honestly you dont ever look at the red ring. You concentrate on the bird . The ring just helps solve any gun mount issues or eye dominance problems ..i took mine to a clay shoot last year .the guy who runs it and was loading the traps was interested in my gun , so had a go with it . He fired at 4 clays and smashed all 4 first time .. Wow he says that was easy. My long heavy , heads up pumper didnt need to fit him he just swung the red ring infront of the clay and fired .job done. Ps i guess if you mounted your red dot high enough to see through it when shooting from the hip then yes you would hit your target. Just re read your post .its not a red dot laser .its a holographic sight No thanks It just doesn’t appeal to me at all; it isn’t what shotgunning is about in my opinion, but each to their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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