JDog Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 A friend of Ginger Cat has started a side line business importing flappers and other decoying stuff from China. We tried the first two prototypes out on peas last summer and both broke down. Another attempt has been made. This flapper is very bulky and in my view the hooks on it do not face the right way whichever way the flapper is inserted into the ground. I have had it working on my work bench with pigeons on it and the present arrangement of the hooks is unsatisfactory. I have no way of knowing the tensile strength of the material used for the flappers rods but I would like to twist them round to the correct position. This flapper is not mine so I will have to be careful. Heating the rods may not be possible with my limited facilities as I do not have a workshop like that of Ditchman. Any helpful suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 I had one very similar of ebay they did bend easy enough but the motor was ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon controller Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 Hi JDog, I hold the wings in position on the Hook,with rubber bands, loop it round the bar below and back in itself put the wing on the hook then come over the wing with the band and onto the hook. I use that method on the magnet and flapper if I ever use it which is very rare. I hope this helps and prevents any mechanical manipulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 all you need is a MAPP gas burner....and a pair of pliers......go to screwfix...............dont ask me anything else this evening as whitebridges brought a load more wine around for me and im testing it out bye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, ditchman said: all you need is a MAPP gas burner....and a pair of pliers......go to screwfix...............dont ask me anything else this evening as whitebridges brought a load more wine around for me and im testing it out bye Has he put a life insurance policy on you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 25 minutes ago, ditchman said: all you need is a MAPP gas burner....and a pair of pliers......go to screwfix...............dont ask me anything else this evening as whitebridges brought a load more wine around for me and im testing it out bye Chilean keynotes ! 23 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Has he put a life insurance policy on you? No insurable interest unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 Would it been possible to leave it as it is and put a crocodile clip on the wing joint once it have been attached ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deny essex Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 (edited) Buy and use a food bag or garden plant twist ties, cheap and simple. Edited April 11, 2019 by deny essex addition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Boggy Posted April 13, 2019 Report Share Posted April 13, 2019 On 10/04/2019 at 17:08, pigeon controller said: Hi JDog, I hold the wings in position on the Hook,with rubber bands, loop it round the bar below and back in itself put the wing on the hook then come over the wing with the band and onto the hook. I use that method on the magnet and flapper if I ever use it which is very rare. I hope this helps and prevents any mechanical manipulation. On 11/04/2019 at 19:52, deny essex said: Buy and use a food bag or garden plant twist ties, cheap and simple. On 10/04/2019 at 20:26, marsh man said: Would it been possible to leave it as it is and put a crocodile clip on the wing joint once it have been attached ? All practical solutions from those who have been there and who know. OB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted April 13, 2019 Report Share Posted April 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, Old Boggy said: All practical solutions from those who have been there and who know. OB You forgot the solution from ditchman, which I thought was one of the best suggestions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Boggy Posted April 13, 2019 Report Share Posted April 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, old'un said: You forgot the solution from ditchman, which I thought was one of the best suggestions. I agree, Ditchman`s solution was a good practical solution, but we are talking about JDog here, who, by his own admission, has `limited facilities`, whatever they are. No good for Fat Sarah methinks. OB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 On 13/04/2019 at 17:16, Old Boggy said: I agree, Ditchman`s solution was a good practical solution, but we are talking about JDog here, who, by his own admission, has `limited facilities`, whatever they are. No good for Fat Sarah methinks. OB "facilities "................or "faculties"............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Boggy Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 13 minutes ago, ditchman said: "facilities "................or "faculties"............... Well you've met him, you tell us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 Oh dear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted April 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 Let me answer for Ditchy. I have limited facilities and faculties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, JDog said: Let me answer for Ditchy. I have limited facilities and faculties. Half the battle is knowing your limitations! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 (edited) hello, i would only think the 2 out rods are made from mild steel, as with simon suggested to with a bit of heat you should be able to twist round the hooks below the washer, pair of molegrips a few inches below washer and use your pliers to cover the hook heat to about cherry red color and twist to your ideal position, and leave to cool off, if you can do this and all works ok i would make a note or drawing and get gingercats friend to contact the chinese company and ask them to change the rod hook position in manufacture, or if you find as mentioned above works and has no affect on the rods he can do that before they are sold on Edited April 28, 2019 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 23 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, i would only think the 2 out rods are made from mild steel, as with simon suggested to with a bit of heat you should be able to twist round the hooks below the washer, pair of molegrips a few inches below washer and use your pliers to cover the hook heat to about cherry red color and twist to your ideal position, and leave to cool off, if you can do this and all works ok i would make a note or drawing and get gingercats friend to contact the chinese company and ask them to change the rod hook position in manufacture, or if you find as mentioned above works and has no affect on the rods he can do that before they are sold on just a thought if you feel unable to try, is there a black smith near as i am sure they could do for you, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 29 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: just a thought if you feel unable to try, is there a black smith near as i am sure they could do for you, if you could let me know gingercats friends business name i will buy a flapper and make some new rods to the design you wish to use, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted April 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 hour ago, oldypigeonpopper said: if you could let me know gingercats friends business name i will buy a flapper and make some new rods to the design you wish to use, Thank you. I will pass your message onto Ginger Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, JDog said: Thank you. I will pass your message onto Ginger Cat. hello JD, i got a pm from your friend reference the flapper rods, have check out all the flappers i found for sale and these rods have all been made straight but some come off the motors at different angle but not the hook, so is it just the hook that for you requires to be at a different angle ? if so they may be an easier solution to heating and bending rod, cheers Edited April 28, 2019 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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