lancer425 Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead eye alan Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 General mess up me thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobba Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 The video clip is selective so we are unaware of the full extent of questioning. But from the point of view from someone who has sat in front of the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) the witnesses got off very lightly indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYA117 Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Bobba said: The video clip is selective so we are unaware of the full extent of questioning. But from the point of view from someone who has sat in front of the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) the witnesses got off very lightly indeed. The full interview was posted on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted May 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Bobba said: The video clip is selective so we are unaware of the full extent of questioning. But from the point of view from someone who has sat in front of the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) the witnesses got off very lightly indeed. If you watched the video above to the end Charlie jacoby was referring to this video it was posted on here this last week, but linked here The full vid https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/3610d6cf-6d1e-45ed-ab7f-3b6c0f9a5c43 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobba Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, lancer425 said: If you watched the video above to the end Charlie jacoby was referring to this video it was posted on here this last week, but linked here The full vid https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/3610d6cf-6d1e-45ed-ab7f-3b6c0f9a5c43 Many thanks.Will give it a view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miserableolgit Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Bobba said: Many thanks.Will give it a view. Be prepared to come away feeling somewhat frustrated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feltwad Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 It looks like the new GL instead of coming into force in a few days time is now going to be some weeks which most likely will be months . Feltwad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 and a lot of damage is going to be done,to crops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted May 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Feltwad said: It looks like the new GL instead of coming into force in a few days time is now going to be some weeks which most likely will be months . Feltwad Thats how i imagine it will turn out, but you never know. It could not have come at a worse time of year. I am probably mistaken but i swear i am seeing more corvids than ever before but could be i am just be imagined in view of this fiasco. Edited May 25, 2019 by lancer425 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miserableolgit Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 The impression I'm getting purely based on observation around my place and locally is that there are more corvids around, or at least those I am seeing appear less timid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted May 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, Miserableolgit said: The impression I'm getting purely based on observation around my place and locally is that there are more corvids around, or at least those I am seeing appear less timid. That is it exactly the same how i see it and i remember when curlew went off the list how quick they wised up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakeside1000 Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 (edited) I have been out shooting pigeons under the new licence since it was issued and am satisfied that I am compliant with the requirements of the new licence, but in the last week or two I have twice been stopped and asked why I am shooting pigeons when the licence has been revoked, I have taken to carrying a printed copy of the new licence in my bag to make it easier to explain the new requirements, Both of the challenges came from 'part time ' pigeon shooters who seemed completely unaware of the situation as was a police officer in his patrol car who stopped me for a chat as I arrived at one of my permissions,unaware of the developments over the last 3 weeks, The press has been severely lacking in correct and detailed information and on line information although easily accessible to me is obviously not reaching everyone , particularly those with little or no computer knowledge or access. All this has added to this feeling of total confusion and frustration over what we can and cannot do legally to control pest species, I watched the enquiry video from start to finish and am now of the opinion that this confusion will not be clarified any time soon, A very interesting video and thank you for the link , but this will drag on for some time to come. So at least for the time being, the rooks magpies jays and jackdaws will have it all their own way and there is not a thing we can do about it. Still at least I am keeping some of the pigeons out of the pea fields which is much appreciated by those who expect me to do just that. Edited May 25, 2019 by lakeside1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 Interesting, we haven't been stopped YET! I will put a copy oF GL31 in the car just in case. Further to your critiscism of the "press" - all of the ingformation is out there and available, if people can't bother to look for it that is THERE PROBLEM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted May 26, 2019 Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 AMAZING!!!!! you did actually see a real genuine police officer out in a car and he/she actually stopped to speak with you. Must be true about this global warming thing. Hope you took a picture of this unheard of very rare sighting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feltwad Posted May 26, 2019 Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 This is the time of the year has every country man knows when birds such has rook and jackdaws double in numbers in most areas , jackdaws over the last decade has increased the most . Rooks and jackdaws are the most destructive of all they contaminate the feeding and water supply to organic and intensive farms which becomes a health and spread of disease problem .The sooner the GL is available the better or we may see a live stock disease problem ,I do not want to witness another epidemic and the smell of burning carcases . Feltwad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted May 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Feltwad said: The sooner the GL is available the better or we may see a live stock disease problem ,I do not want to witness another epidemic and the smell of burning carcases . Feltwad This is a valid point and glad you raised it , and it is not one i had noticed mentioned or one i had considered myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted May 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 (edited) I Know we all know what started this, and some will most probably have read this but from Launch to Leigh & Day dated 25th of april . I apologise if you have seen it all but its here in one heap for those looking for some background. Or if you are feeling inordinately up beat today and want to feel miserable "READ ON MCDUFF ! " WJ are up and running. https://www.birdguides.com/news/conservationists-launch-wild-justice/ https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/entertainment/chris-packham-launches-wild-justice-for-legal-fight-to-protect-wildlife-904086.html https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/mar/15/wildlife-campaigners-chris-packham-legal-action-pest-bird-killings-natural-england https://www.leighday.co.uk/News/2019/March-2019/First-legal-case-for-Wild-Justice-challenges-Natur https://www.chrispackham.co.uk/news/wild-justice This is not about Justice this is about eradicating Hunting. Intresting video. Edited May 26, 2019 by lancer425 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 26, 2019 Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 12 hours ago, lakeside1000 said: I have been out shooting pigeons under the new licence since it was issued and am satisfied that I am compliant with the requirements of the new licence, but in the last week or two I have twice been stopped and asked why I am shooting pigeons when the licence has been revoked, I have taken to carrying a printed copy of the new licence in my bag to make it easier to explain the new requirements, Both of the challenges came from 'part time ' pigeon shooters who seemed completely unaware of the situation as was a police officer in his patrol car who stopped me for a chat as I arrived at one of my permissions,unaware of the developments over the last 3 weeks, The press has been severely lacking in correct and detailed information and on line information although easily accessible to me is obviously not reaching everyone , particularly those with little or no computer knowledge or access. All this has added to this feeling of total confusion and frustration over what we can and cannot do legally to control pest species, I watched the enquiry video from start to finish and am now of the opinion that this confusion will not be clarified any time soon, A very interesting video and thank you for the link , but this will drag on for some time to come. So at least for the time being, the rooks magpies jays and jackdaws will have it all their own way and there is not a thing we can do about it. Still at least I am keeping some of the pigeons out of the pea fields which is much appreciated by those who expect me to do just that. This might just turn out to be the wannabes feeling their oats and in so doing annoying people. With a bit of luck, one of the big boys will put down his cognac and cigar, clamber up out of his armchair and give them a slap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feltwad Posted May 27, 2019 Report Share Posted May 27, 2019 Not much info from the shooting organisation of late on the GL , have they gone off the boil maybe the NE two individual licences have kept most of the membership at bay .The longer we wait for the GL the worse it is getting which may consist of it not been issued at all Feltwad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 27, 2019 Report Share Posted May 27, 2019 Had an email from NGO saying that it's all work in progress but as of the end of the week there was NFTR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted May 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2019 32 minutes ago, Feltwad said: Not much info from the shooting organisation of late on the GL , have they gone off the boil maybe the NE two individual licences have kept most of the membership at bay .The longer we wait for the GL the worse it is getting which may consist of it not been issued at all Feltwad It is a waiting game at the moment nobody can do anything but wait for the Government to draw its conclusions. BASC are pushing for answers and here is the gist of the correspondence from the BASC site linked at the bottom of this post. The Last communication from the Government on Friday evening sugested we would be hearing from them "SHORTLY". Attached below. . “While we accept that Defra has a vast amount of information to sift through following its recent call to evidence, the fact so many people responded to that demand for evidence should give a clear signal to Defra that people are desperate and need a workable solution in days not weeks.” In an email to BASC this evening, Defra said: “We are developing proposals based on the 4,000 responses we received to our call for evidence and will set out our next steps shortly.” https://basc.org.uk/blog/general-licences/basc-responds-to-delay-over-defra-general-licence-announcement/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted May 28, 2019 Report Share Posted May 28, 2019 Well im still awaiting two of the individual licences, so far only had flora and fauna back.. I guess flora could be crop? Against the corvids ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feltwad Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 This last week has seen a large increase of rooks and jackdaws on three free range organic farm hoppers and water troughs for which they are contaminate the feed. This is now becoming a major risk to health and safety and more so disease and all I can do is walk them off and they are back within a half a hour it is just the same with a banger . The sooner the GL is issued the better but what was to be a few days is now weeks and is now looking has not at all Feltwad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 Has everybody visited their MP to make them aware of the chaos yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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