Paul123 Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 Hi all just wondering what is taking so long to get this mess sorted out as it didn’t take long to ban it And it really is dragging on now has anyone got any information or know what is going on and what the next step is to get this sorted out I have read a few of you have got individual licenses Are they needed for pigeon shooting as I haven’t applied for any licenses as I was just waiting to see what was going to happen but it’s taking so long Any information would be great cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsDad Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Paul123 said: Are they needed for pigeon shooting General Licence(GL)31 has already been issued covering shooting of Pigeon to prevent crop damage. Gove is too busy promoting himself as our next PM to worry about all the outstanding licence`s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Boggy Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 11 hours ago, Paul123 said: Hi all just wondering what is taking so long to get this mess sorted out as it didn’t take long to ban it And it really is dragging on now has anyone got any information or know what is going on and what the next step is to get this sorted out I have read a few of you have got individual licenses Are they needed for pigeon shooting as I haven’t applied for any licenses as I was just waiting to see what was going to happen but it’s taking so long Any information would be great cheers As JJsDad has said, GL31 has been issued to cover pigeon shooting. If you download it, read it and comply with it it's current form (hopefully to be amended in a more 'fit for purpose' format) then you can carry out crop protection within the terms of the general licence and do not have to apply for an individual licence. You've only to read on here the extensive coverage and then make your own mind up how you wish to proceed. OB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 The government and country is in a crisis over how it's future looks. Crops can still be protected under GL31. Why should they rush it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsDad Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Smokersmith said: Why should they rush it? I would have thought that most of the higher management of Natural England & Defra would need to reach for the dictionary in order to understand the term "rush it" ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 minute ago, JJsDad said: I would have thought that most of the higher management of Natural England & Defra would need to reach for the dictionary in order to understand the term "rush it" ! I don't think so, they know how to "rush it" when it suits their agenda as we have already seen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 hello, i am sure they are overwhelmed with applications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Shot 1958 Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 (edited) To comply with the current GL31 how long does one have to try the "Non Lethal" methods to deter Pigeons before its ok to shoot them ? Edited June 6, 2019 by Lucky Shot 1958 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 3 minutes . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsDad Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 19 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: 3 minutes . 😂 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good shot? Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 One shot to frighten and one to hit. I wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 (edited) Well .before a crop ripens it will have no pigeon intrest .over it .then it matures and the birds take an interest. (2 days ?) Then they hit it on mass for a few days (Doing massive amounts of damage ) before they move on . So you have about a week (a bit longer )if your lucky,that the birds are on a crop. (Im thinking barely and wheat ) So there is no point it scaring birds 3 weeks before the crop has matured .And if in that critical week your scaring techniques dont work then the damage will have been done . (No thanks from the farmer ) So inreality id say try scaring for an hour. If it doesnt work .shoot em . Thats my opinion. Other people are welcome to their own . Edited June 6, 2019 by Ultrastu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Shot 1958 Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 That's my point,it does not mention how long you should try the "Non Lethel" methods in GL31,So what happens if some anti films you on his phone then goes to the Police because he suspects that you did not try ALL the "Non Lethal" methods long enough to deter the Pigeons and it goes to court. I am not going to risk my SGC and FAC until the current GL31 has been amended and is hopefully easier to comply with and fit for purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 They would have to prove that you werent there on other days . So did they film you on Thursday when u tried flags .and friday when u tried scare crows .and Saturday when etc etc .. You record your efforts as per gl31. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feltwad Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 What I can see for the GL licence it looks that there is no hurry if not at all , they have thrown two individual sweetener's one for crows and one for pigeons to keep the shooting organisations off their back. I also noticed that the shooting organisation's have had not much to say in the last one and a half weeks Feltwad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Lucky Shot 1958 said: That's my point,it does not mention how long you should try the "Non Lethel" methods in GL31,So what happens if some anti films you on his phone then goes to the Police because he suspects that you did not try ALL the "Non Lethal" methods long enough to deter the Pigeons and it goes to court. I am not going to risk my SGC and FAC until the current GL31 has been amended and is hopefully easier to comply with and fit for purpose. We were told by our wildfowling club to get back out on the Peas and start shooting the pigeons again , this was well over a week ago . I have been on my own perms a good few times since we were given the go ahead , the days I don't shoot I walk around our Pea fields and if any are on there then I walk them off , if I shoot on the next day then by walking to my place where I intend to put a hide any pigeons that are on there will fly off . I have now done my bit and if any come back I will do my best to kill them , no if and butts , I am not a human scare crow when I have got my gun and to be honest I cannot see anyone bothering to film my actions , if they did it wouldn't bother me one bit as I honestly believe I am not doing anything wrong and complying with the requirements , and the estate will happily back me up on this . What are you worried about ? as I am a bit confused why people are failing to go now a general license have been issued . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider6630 Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 On 05/06/2019 at 21:12, JJsDad said: General Licence(GL)31 has already been issued covering shooting of Pigeon to prevent crop damage. Gove is too busy promoting himself as our next PM to worry about all the outstanding licence`s. will it still be valid do we reckon? as DEFRA now have taken over 7 minutes ago, marsh man said: We were told by our wildfowling club to get back out on the Peas and start shooting the pigeons again , this was well over a week ago . I have been on my own perms a good few times since we were given the go ahead , the days I don't shoot I walk around our Pea fields and if any are on there then I walk them off , if I shoot on the next day then by walking to my place where I intend to put a hide any pigeons that are on there will fly off . I have now done my bit and if any come back I will do my best to kill them , no if and butts , I am not a human scare crow when I have got my gun and to be honest I cannot see anyone bothering to film my actions , if they did it wouldn't bother me one bit as I honestly believe I am not doing anything wrong and complying with the requirements , and the estate will happily back me up on this . What are you worried about ? as I am a bit confused why people are failing to go now a general license have been issued . i am in Norfolk any chance of me geting to shoot over the peas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsDad Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 (edited) 43 minutes ago, ghostrider6630 said: will it still be valid do we reckon? GL31 has been issued and remains valid until 31st Dec 2019 unless it is revised / amended before the due expiry date. Edited June 6, 2019 by JJsDad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Ultrastu said: They would have to prove that you werent there on other days . So did they film you on Thursday when u tried flags .and friday when u tried scare crows .and Saturday when etc etc .. You record your efforts as per gl31. There is no requirement to record scaring efforts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 2 hours ago, marsh man said: We were told by our wildfowling club to get back out on the Peas and start shooting the pigeons again , this was well over a week ago . I have been on my own perms a good few times since we were given the go ahead , the days I don't shoot I walk around our Pea fields and if any are on there then I walk them off , if I shoot on the next day then by walking to my place where I intend to put a hide any pigeons that are on there will fly off . I have now done my bit and if any come back I will do my best to kill them , no if and butts , I am not a human scare crow when I have got my gun and to be honest I cannot see anyone bothering to film my actions , if they did it wouldn't bother me one bit as I honestly believe I am not doing anything wrong and complying with the requirements , and the estate will happily back me up on this . What are you worried about ? as I am a bit confused why people are failing to go now a general license have been issued . I have also been out shooting. I have shot over clover, rape and peas in the last few weeks. I am anticipating some shooting in standing/laid cereals in the next few weeks. The interesting part will come when people want to shoot the stubbles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Boggy Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 6 hours ago, motty said: I have also been out shooting. I have shot over clover, rape and peas in the last few weeks. I am anticipating some shooting in standing/laid cereals in the next few weeks. The interesting part will come when people want to shoot the stubbles. Hi Motty, As I posted the other day, Caroline Cotterell a director of Natural England, confirmed that it is OK to shoot pigeons on stubbles if you are protecting an adjacent or future crop. That's good enough for me and I will continue to do so at harvest and like Marshman, have the backing of my farmer friends. This could also be extrapolated to shooting a flightline. OB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Shot 1958 Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 Morning Motty, Below is from the current GL31. Licence users are advised to keep a record or log of crop damage and of efforts to address problems by legal methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYA117 Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 49 minutes ago, Lucky Shot 1958 said: Morning Motty, Below is from the current GL31. Licence users are advised to keep a record or log of crop damage and of efforts to address problems by legal methods. Yes it says advised not required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 8 hours ago, motty said: I have also been out shooting. I have shot over clover, rape and peas in the last few weeks. I am anticipating some shooting in standing/laid cereals in the next few weeks. The interesting part will come when people want to shoot the stubbles. Maybe it's the way I am but the N E general license fiasco is now just a distant memory and to be honest while I am shooting I no longer give it a thought , I no longer waste my cartridges on Crows , Rooks ect so what you should or shouldn't do concerning shooting them is no concern to me . Our first stubble will be Pea stubble , the Peas are now in flower so I expect they will be cut in four to five weeks , the Peas are surrounded by Wheat and Barley fields that will still be standing so I will be shooting the Pea stubble to protect the fields on the other side of the hedge , if the conditions are roughly the same as last year the harvest started on July 11th and I will be doing the same on the Barley stubble as I would have done on the Pea stubble . So yes I will be shooting over stubble and I guess along with many other pigeon shooters , I think the interesting bit will be roost shooting rather than shooting over stubble , although by next February we should know if we can , or cant . GOOD LUCK in the weeks ahead . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Shot 1958 Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 I am no legal boffin by any means, but I would assume that the reason that they advise record keeping would be so that you have evidence as your defence should you be questioned by the Police etc,just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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