Boris Johnson has an Argument!

[pinfireman]

2 hours ago, grrclark said:

I think there are a few elements to this story.

One is undoubted cynical opportunism by the neighbours to make a recording of the argument and give that to the newspaper, I don't think with any reasonableness that could be considered as anything other than that.  The motivation is almost certainly to smear BoJo.

The calling of police hearing a heated argument of neighbours is less clear cut, beyond the media reporting what has gone on we don't know how raucous or otherwise the argument was, so it may well have been a legitimate call of concern as it caused genuine alarm, it might have been an hyper sensitive over reaction, or of course it could also have been pure opportunism and a desire to cause harm to BoJo at the sound of a heated row; to play the good concerned citizen card.

Notwithstanding any of the above, the real issue for me is Boris' judgement both in allowing a situation to develop that gave the neighbours an opportunity in the first place and then his reaction after the event.  Whether it was merited or not the police were called to the house of our prospective PM on a 999 call of reported domestic disturbance.

Boris has to talk about that.  He doesn't have to give details about wine on the sofa or details of how tempestuous or not his relationship is with his partner, but he does need to give a statement about the police coming to his door.

He could say that it was wilful mischief making by his neighbours, his partner could sit with him in the press conference, he can cite the police report that all was well when they arrived, he can call it out as rank opportunism, but why is he saying nothing?

It also cant be ignored that Boris is no stranger to domestic disharmony, he had a super injunction for 3 years to stop the world hearing of his extra marital child, there was a pregnancy with another affair that ended in an abortion, he is twice divorced.    That is human life and he is amongst hundreds of millions of others who have been around a bit, but it does call into question his own decision making ability and also his morals.  None of that plays well to the traditional conservative voter and Boris knows it, his card of strength in this leadership run off is his supposed commitment on Brexit, but Hunt is saying much the same and I believe that Boris is afraid to come under real testing scrutiny beyond soundbites.

He is an inveterate liar, or at least if not wilfully seeking to mislead he far too readily makes promises and commitments he has absolutely no intention of keeping, i.e. 'I shall lie down in front of the bulldozers' for Heathrow expansion in his promise to his constituency (bet he doesn't).

Finally, if Boris can be caught out by two left leaning luvvies living in the flat next door to his partner who used a simple mobile phone or a voice recorder to overhear the shouting and screaming, what chance does he have against state actors who are desperately going to try and besmirch him for political leverage and capital?

So we can take it you will be voting for Boris?

2 hours ago, Rewulf said:

Im advocating nothing.
If I was I would have mentioned the pub name, that is not what I , or this forum is about.

When you take a willful action such as Mr nosy neighbour took, you sometimes have to accept the consequences of your actions.
You take ownership of what he (pretty obviously) attempted to do, which was damage BJs reputation, and damage his leadership bid.
All this for political 'cool points' he could use at dinner parties with his champagne socialist mates.

He thought he could get away with it by reporting to the police anonymously, and getting the guardian to keep his name out of it, he got it WRONG, and him, his partner, and quite possibly his employees will pay the price for his new found fame.

This is called taking responsibility for ones actions.

 

Correct!

1 hour ago, henry d said:

 

Yeah, its all a conspiracy, lets blame the left/middle/press/illuminati/al Qaeda/whatever

You forgot your friends, the Remoaners?

[henry d]

5 minutes ago, pinfireman said:

You forgot your friends, the Remoaners?

Oh great riposte, please excuse me I have to go to hospital my sides have split.

Honestly the amount of replies to this and other threads that revolve around conspiracies and other wild eyed theories is getting beyond a joke!

[grrclark]

13 minutes ago, pinfireman said:

So we can take it you will be voting for Boris?

I will be getting a ballot paper and no I wont.  A few years ago I would have, but I think that Boris is becoming increasing toxic and that is only going to get worse.

If he does win the vote then he will need an exceptionally strong ministerial team around him and I don't know if there is enough quality and talent in the conservative ranks that could live under him as PM.

[pinfireman]

Merely pointing out your omission..............do try to keep up!

1 minute ago, grrclark said:

I will be getting a ballot paper and no I wont.  A few years ago I would have, but I think that Boris is becoming increasing toxic and that is only going to get worse.

If he does win the vote then he will need an exceptionally strong ministerial team around him and I don't know if there is enough quality and talent in the conservative ranks that could live under him as PM.

So you would rather vote for a confirmed Remainer, a failed Health Secretary? Theresa May in trousers?

[das]

Just been listening to the Jeremy Vine programme at noon, very interesting.
It was Boris vs the BBC, Guardian and Vine and we all know what the last three represent.
The first to reply to Vine's lead in 'Is Boris fit to be PM'  appeared to be a knowledged, well spoken Brexiteer who told Vine
in no uncertain terms that the argument was nothing to do with politics, just a slanging match which contained no violence and the Police were really not interested.
It was also mentioned and asked why the next door neighbours recorded the event. Seems that a tape recorder was used and given the thickness of the party wall
you would expect in an older dwelling like that, it must be a pretty sophisticated one with a good microphone.

All the callers except one stated that it was of no concern to anyone what went on next door with only a slanging match going on.
Vine seemed to cut his pitch short at this point but was this a ploy to oust  Boris from the leadership race especially as Hunt will not commit to leaving the EU in Oct
when Boris stated that we would be.

A possible set up?

[grrclark]

9 minutes ago, henry d said:

Honestly the amount of replies to this and other threads that revolve around conspiracies and other wild eyed theories is getting beyond a joke!

Yep, it's funny and frustrating in equal measure.

[pinfireman]

Just now, das said:

Just been listening to the Jeremy Vine programme at noon, very interesting.
It was Boris vs the BBC, Guardian and Vine and we all know what the last three represent.
The first to reply to Vine's lead in 'Is Boris fit to be PM'  appeared to be a knowledged, well spoken Brexiteer who told Vine
in no uncertain terms that the argument was nothing to do with politics, just a slanging match which contained no violence and the Police were really not interested.
It was also mentioned and asked why the next door neighbours recorded the event. Seems that a tape recorder was used and given the thickness of the party wall
you would expect in an older dwelling like that, it must be a pretty sophisticated one with a good microphone.

All the callers except one stated that it was of no concern to anyone what went on next door with only a slanging match going on.
Vine seemed to cut his pitch short at this point but was this a ploy to oust  Boris from the leadership race especially as Hunt will not commit to leaving the EU in Oct
when Boris stated that we would be.

A possible set up?

Probably so..................

[grrclark]

2 minutes ago, pinfireman said:

So you would rather vote for a confirmed Remainer, a failed Health Secretary? Theresa May in trousers?

No, I would rather have had another choice than Hunt, but given that is what the parliamentary party have put before me then I will vote on the basis of a broad spectrum of considerations, not just the single issue of Brexit.

[Rewulf]

21 minutes ago, henry d said:

Honestly the amount of replies to this and other threads that revolve around conspiracies and other wild eyed theories is getting beyond a joke!

Dont read it then 

Mathew 5.29

[Scully]

4 hours ago, Rewulf said:

Apparently the 'concerned' neighbour owns a pub in London, a gastro pub no less.
Which until very very recently 😆 enjoyed good reviews on google and tripadvisor.
I wont name it publicly.

Welcome to fame Sir 😄

Karma. What does around comes around. 😃

[Smokersmith]

26 minutes ago, das said:

Just been listening to the Jeremy Vine programme at noon, very interesting.
It was Boris vs the BBC, Guardian and Vine and we all know what the last three represent.
The first to reply to Vine's lead in 'Is Boris fit to be PM'  appeared to be a knowledged, well spoken Brexiteer who told Vine
in no uncertain terms that the argument was nothing to do with politics, just a slanging match which contained no violence and the Police were really not interested.
It was also mentioned and asked why the next door neighbours recorded the event. Seems that a tape recorder was used and given the thickness of the party wall
you would expect in an older dwelling like that, it must be a pretty sophisticated one with a good microphone.

All the callers except one stated that it was of no concern to anyone what went on next door with only a slanging match going on.
Vine seemed to cut his pitch short at this point but was this a ploy to oust  Boris from the leadership race especially as Hunt will not commit to leaving the EU in Oct
when Boris stated that we would be.

A possible set up?

I'm not sure you listened to all of this ... it finished with a Boris supporting MP, giving a rallying cry to which Vine then ended, and played some music.

I didn't perceive any set up at all, and heard views on both sides, including someone who worked with Boris for quite some time.

[Rewulf]

3 hours ago, Scully said:

Karma. What does around comes around. 😃

It gets better, this might hit the news later, but it does go some way to explaining why tensions were high in the Bojo household that night.

Newspaper Journalists.
They all reported the Warboys case on Thursday.
They know the background of the original cases brought.
They prefer to discredit and suggest domestic violence with lies of omission.
Thursday night. I wasn't there, and I don't know the couple... But I can't imagine how stressful Carrie's (BJ s girlfriend) day was.
When Carrie was about 19 years old (2007), she was drugged and abused by John Warboys. She was brave and gave evidence to get him jailed.
John Warboys was almost released on parole.
On Thursday Carrie spent the day listening to the evidence in the new cases against John Warboys that prove he should never have been considered for parole.
If any of us suffer a stressful day like that, want to shout, scream, throw things, get sad, get angry, become hysterical... That sort of stressful day is an understandable trigger.
And her partner comes home happy, having been selected into the final two of achieving his lifetime goals....
A different neighbour, Fatimah said it was loud, but the man's voice was trying to calm her down.
Journalists demand - Why not explain the "none of our business" to the hustings?
Perhaps it's also not for Boris Johnson to comment on the private anger, grief and stress of Carrie Symonds who is not putting herself forward as a politician?

Like I say, they might report this, but if they dont, then you know where the MSM really stands.
And if anyone thinks conspiracies arent real, they need to WAKE UP.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Blimey, that does throw a bit of light on the situation!

[Newbie to this]

I had already heard the the male voice in the argument was reported to be calm and the voice of reason.

Perhaps that is one of the reasons the recording hasn't been released.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

1 minute ago, Newbie to this said:

I had already heard the the male voice in the argument was reported to be calm and the voice of reason.

Perhaps that is one of the reasons the recording hasn't been released.

Or perhaps they thought he might well sue!

[Vince Green]

4 hours ago, henry d said:

Oh great riposte, please excuse me I have to go to hospital my sides have split.

Honestly the amount of replies to this and other threads that revolve around conspiracies and other wild eyed theories is getting beyond a joke!

How many people have a tape recorder and the Guardian's phone number to hand at 1 in the morning?

I'm sure half the people on here have it on speed dial just in case. Doesn't everybody?

Not a conspiracy, just a stitch up

[henry d]

1 minute ago, Vince Green said:

How many people have a tape recorder and the Guardian's phone number to hand at 1 in the morning?

I'm sure half the people on here have it on speed dial just in case. Doesn't everybody?

Not a conspiracy, just a stitch up

Nobody has a tape recorder, they died along with the dinosaurs. We have smartphones and access to the internet. I say again conspiracy theory.

[Vince Green]

3 hours ago, henry d said:

Nobody has a tape recorder, they died along with the dinosaurs. We have smartphones and access to the internet. I say again conspiracy theory.

Henry I don't know if you are very nieve or just don't want to believe what is fairly obvious to the rest of us. You are not going to get that word for word quality of a  sound recording on a smart phone through a substancial floor in a quality building like that.

Their flat was professionally wired and its pretty obvious why and by whom. 

Edited June 24, 2019 by Vince Green

[henry d]

Zer Germans? Huawei? Bob Fandangos electrical company? Or do you mean people got wired in their flat, nudge nudge, wink, wink, say no more!

I got Bob to do mine, if you want I can give you his contact information?

[Dave-G]

With about 20 years age difference has anyone considered the young lady may have a bit of a high maintenance persuasion.... one has to wonder if she might be a gold digger and he's getting weary of it. 

[henry d]

So that would make Boris a manipulator, or worse still a John, obtaining sex in exchange for money, you certainly know how to paint a picture of how wonderful a person he is.

[scouser]

Put your hand up if you have never had a heated argument with your partner in the early hours.

[henry d]

How do we get to see who's hand is up? Mine is.

[Scully]

👋

[Dave-G]

4 hours ago, henry d said:

So that would make Boris a manipulator, or worse still a John, obtaining sex in exchange for money, Assuming he went into the arrangement fully aware rather than got duped like many an ageing very well off celebrity. you certainly know how to paint a picture of how wonderful a person he is.

Corrected that for you Henry.