Brexit - merged threads

[pinfireman]

2 hours ago, Rewulf said:

Anna Soubry MP , has been hanging around with ex Labour MPs for a week now , and has picked up some bad habits 😃

Terrible mathematics a la the Dianne Abbot school of economics !

She has stated that Brexit needs to be cancelled because 63 % of the electorate DIDNT vote for it.
Its a song weve heard before, as in the 13 million who didnt bother voting, would DEFINITELY have voted remain, a shockingly blase assumption, based on idiot logic.

We can use this logic on Ms Soubrys Broxtowe constiuency.

Soubry (for the tories , who she no longer represents.) - 25,983

Greg Marshall ,Lab                                                              - 25120

Others                                                                                   - 4405

Didnt bother voting                                                            - 18385

So the voters who didnt vote for Soubrey                    - 47910     65% of the constituents.

So by idiot logic, Ms  Soubry needs to vacate her seat forthwith, or at the very least call a by election, and make sure she achieves at least 50.1 % of ALL of Broxtowes voters.

Seems perfectly fair to me 😄

It,s the mantra of the mathematically challenged!. All the UKIP voters from 2017 in Broxtowe have to do, is tactically vote against her! Game, set and match!

[pinfireman]

23 hours ago, oowee said:

Interesting piece on CH4 looks like the evidence of Russian involvement in the Brexit process through Arron Banks is getting closer to being proven. It demonstrates the importance of joint working, when the Russians are prepared to influence politics here and use our own people to destabalise the state. 

This makes the allegations against Banks look slightly silly..............Strange how the BBC, and Channel 4, have failed to investigate this...............

Guido’s investigation in late 2017 drew attention to the implausibility of Momentum having adhered to the laws on spending limits. The subsequent Electoral Commission electoral fraud investigation has borne this out, with Momentum today being fined £16,700 for multiple breaches of electoral law. The hard left campaign group has been found to have repeatedly filed  inaccurate general election spending returns in 2017 despite being given a year to revise their return. They were also multiple failures to report donations accepted outside of an election period. The Electoral Commission says this is “the highest fine levied on a non-party campaigner for not submitting a complete and accurate spending return during the 2017 election.”

Source Guido Fawkes

Momentum originally claimed they had only spent £38,743 across the whole of the 2017 election. Conveniently, just under the £39,000 spending limit for non-party campaigners…

Considering Momentum raised £120,000 from Crowdpac alone, they presumably expected the Electoral Commission would simply believe that they did not spend the vast majority of the money raised. But the Commission has concluded that Momentum’s spending report “was not accurate and Momentum subsequently delivered four further versions after the deadline, each of which reported different amounts of donations and spending.” Oh dear…

UPDATE: Despite the Electoral Commission stating bluntly that “Momentum did not cooperate fully during the investigation” they have responded with a lengthy statement essentially claiming it was all an innocent mistake. The make much of their small donations from volunteers, the Electoral Commission actually found they failed to declare big donations of tens of thousands from the TSSA union.

[panoma1]

Extremists will do ANYTHING to win....to them "the end justifies the means"

[oowee]

Question is what will Russia's next move be? 

[Raja Clavata]

1 hour ago, pinfireman said:

That makes about 96% of those posting on here!

Channel 4 a government channel..................more dubious propaganda. 

So what other benefits do you receive? It,s difficult to find any that would have changed our minds. 

Have you seen the Dominic Cummings presentation on how leave won the referendum?

42 minutes ago, pinfireman said:

This makes the allegations against Banks look slightly silly..............Strange how the BBC, and Channel 4, have failed to investigate this...............

Guido’s investigation in late 2017 drew attention to the implausibility of Momentum having adhered to the laws on spending limits. The subsequent Electoral Commission electoral fraud investigation has borne this out, with Momentum today being fined £16,700 for multiple breaches of electoral law. The hard left campaign group has been found to have repeatedly filed  inaccurate general election spending returns in 2017 despite being given a year to revise their return. They were also multiple failures to report donations accepted outside of an election period. The Electoral Commission says this is “the highest fine levied on a non-party campaigner for not submitting a complete and accurate spending return during the 2017 election.”

Source Guido Fawkes

Momentum originally claimed they had only spent £38,743 across the whole of the 2017 election. Conveniently, just under the £39,000 spending limit for non-party campaigners…

Considering Momentum raised £120,000 from Crowdpac alone, they presumably expected the Electoral Commission would simply believe that they did not spend the vast majority of the money raised. But the Commission has concluded that Momentum’s spending report “was not accurate and Momentum subsequently delivered four further versions after the deadline, each of which reported different amounts of donations and spending.” Oh dear…

UPDATE: Despite the Electoral Commission stating bluntly that “Momentum did not cooperate fully during the investigation” they have responded with a lengthy statement essentially claiming it was all an innocent mistake. The make much of their small donations from volunteers, the Electoral Commission actually found they failed to declare big donations of tens of thousands from the TSSA union.

 

Edited March 6, 2019 by Raja Clavata

[pinfireman]

51 minutes ago, oowee said:

Question is what will Russia's next move be? 

Annexing Somerset?

[Rewulf]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

Question is what will Russia's next move be? 

Jeeeeeeez what world do you live in????

See, it works both ways 😀

[pinfireman]

All the Electoral Commission can do is point a finger at Aaron Banks, with NO PROOF!

This is what the Remoaners try to get away with................................

The Tory People’s Vote campaign, ‘Right to Vote’, has not exactly been a roaring success since it launched in January, despite being awash with undeclared dark money. Under electoral law, Right to Vote qualify as a members association, like Momentum, and are therefore required to declare any donations over £7,500, even outside election periods. Guido understands that the Electoral Commission will be meeting Right to Vote to remind them of their reporting obligations under electoral law…

Now Guido has learned that Right to Vote have also been engaging the services of lobbyists without declaring them to Parliament. Guido understands that lobbyists Interel Group have been engaged by Right to Vote, with Interel’s Katherine Morgan – a former Treasury civil servant who also worked for the European Commission – working on their behalf. Right to Vote are also engaging the services of Howard Bowden, who is listed as the media contact on their site. Bowden is a freelance PR and former Head of News for now disgraced PR firm Bell Pottinger…

Under Parliamentary rules, MPs receiving support from a lobbying company need to declare this as a donation to the relevant Register of Interests, and check that the donor is a permissible donation with the Electoral Commission. Neither Right to Vote Chairman Phillip Lee nor any of his fellow Right to Vote MPs have declared their use of lobbyists…

What Phillip Lee has declared are two donations in kind from The Common Sense Collective Ltd in the form of “services to assist with media and communications”, to the tune of £7,860. However, these donations appear to be impermissible as their most recent records at Companies House show that Common Sense Collective is a dormant company.

Under electoral law a dormant company cannot make a political donation – it must be registered at Companies House and carrying on business in the UK. Unless Common Sense Collective have resumed trading without yet informing Companies House, Lee will have accepted impermissible donations and will need to forfeit their value to the Electoral Commission…

Right to Vote are certainly not short of cash, just last month they sent a first-class mailshot to every Tory Association Chairman in the country asking them pressure their MPs into support a Brexit “timeout”. Each letter was personalised for every individual constituency, including specific constituency-level voodoo polling from dark money-hungry anti-Brexit campaign Best for Britain. The vast array of second referendum campaigns are all flush with buckets of cash from anonymous donors and corporations, yet Guido cannot remember the last time a single broadcaster challenged a Remainer over the source of their funding…

UPDATE: A spokesman for Interel Group tells Guido: “Some colleagues worked with the Right to Vote campaign for two weeks earlier this year. We took the decision to end this. We did not receive any payment and we have declared this in the Public Affairs Board Register as pro bono activity”. Even if it’s pro bono work Lee should still have declared it himself as a donation in kind

[oowee]

Looking more like the proof is there now with the referral to the National Crime Agency. The Russian infiltration is similar in many ways to what is happening in Ukraine and you do have to wonder if it's part of a wider effort to destabalise Europe. Recruiting provocateurs to divide a nation and exploit them for political and economic advantage. If you get chance look at the coverage of Brexit on RT. It's a similar message of promoting division, part of the campaign to harness the gullible. In some Eastern European countries there is often an element of communist political traction with more natural links to Russia so it would be reasonable to think they would have an easier task in the East. As was said on CH4 in some ways the Brexit opportunity was too good to miss.

as a matter of interest anyone know where the funding come from for the yellow vest activists comes from? 

[Raja Clavata]

Just now, oowee said:

Looking more like the proof is there now with the referral to the National Crime Agency. The Russian infiltration is similar in many ways to what is happening in Ukraine and you do have to wonder if it's part of a wider effort to destabalise Europe. Recruiting provocateurs to divide a nation and exploit them for political and economic advantage. If you get chance look at the coverage of Brexit on RT. It's a similar message of promoting division, part of the campaign to harness the gullible. In some Eastern European countries there is often an element of communist political traction with more natural links to Russia so it would be reasonable to think they would have an easier task in the East. As was said on CH4 in some ways the Brexit opportunity was too good to miss.

as a matter of interest anyone know where the funding come from for the yellow vest activists comes from? 

Russia's role in this and the Trump campaign are most likely exaggerated but understandable giving that it's human nature to point the finger at familiar enemies, as well as very convenient.

The proof is indeed most likely there and has been known for some time although there is new evidence coming to light which more or less nails the whole sherbang - whether or not that leads to prosecutions is another thing and probably not the main point here. This goes way beyond Mr Banks too.

Perhaps the biggest irony of all is that in an attempt to escape the undemocratic EU, enough members of the UK public (the fifth that DC refers to) were unwittingly influenced by an emerging new Authoritarian world order which uses their own data against them and subverts the true course of democracy. It just goes to show how hopeless the whole situation is when the hard core leavers (one of the thirds DC refers to) are citing what parliament are trying to do is undemocratic.

Anyone who thinks that big data analytics, AI / ML and social media are not being used to influence our daily lives truly is living in another world...

[Gordon R]

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The proof is indeed most likely there and has been known for some time although there is new evidence coming to light which more or less nails the whole sherbang - whether or not that leads to prosecutions is another thing and probably not the main point here.

I thought you dealt in facts. Who could argue with that quote - conclusive proof for just about anyone?

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Never let the facts get in the way of a "GOOD" story!!!!!!!!

[Raja Clavata]

Just now, Gordon R said:

I thought you dealt in facts. Who could argue with that quote - conclusive proof for just about anyone?

I thought (hoped) we'd come to some kind of agreement whereby we ignore oneanother 😕

I was deliberately using loose language to avoid repeats of previous digs but never mind.

For someone with such a high regard of them self you really don't appear to have contributed very much to this thread.

Just now, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Never let the facts get in the way of a "GOOD" story!!!!!!!!

Indeed just as a hard line Brexiteer waking up to the result of the referendum on the morning of 24th June 2016 might well have reflected "that anything that seems too good to be true probably is"...

[Rewulf]

39 minutes ago, oowee said:

Looking more like the proof is there now with the referral to the National Crime Agency.

*Sigh , Do you not think if there was any concrete 'proof' that Banks, Farage or any Leave group could be tied to Russian money, it would be plastered all over your lefty media ?
With a resultant call for article 50 to be revoked, and the status returned to normal 'democratic' EU control ?

Do you know why they havnt done this?
Theyve inferred it, just like the Dems are inferring it in the US about Trump, hoping the old adage 'No smoke with...' will cling like the proverbial.
But coming out with such a libelous charge, when there isnt actual any proof WHATSOEVER, could prove costly.

46 minutes ago, oowee said:

The Russian infiltration is similar in many ways to what is happening in Ukraine and you do have to wonder if it's part of a wider effort to destabalise Europe.

No its not !
The 2 things are nothing like it, Germany is about to base its future energy needs on Russian gas , I think you better tell Merkie , quick time 😄
Destabilise Europe for what exactly , so Putin can move the tanks in ? Russia isnt even militarily capable of doing that these days, even without the US backing us.

If Russia REALLY wanted to cause division and distress to us , they would be better off pumping money into the labour party, and get Corbyn in  

51 minutes ago, oowee said:

as a matter of interest anyone know where the funding come from for the yellow vest activists comes from? 

 Funding for what ?! £2 worth of hi viz and a couple of poo balloons 😆
Why does everything that goes against the establishment/status quo have to be 'driven' by something ?
Let me guess, its the Russkies doing France too ?
Not just a bunch of disgruntled citizens, who have had enough of their government bending them over.

Like Brexiteers, yes I know we voted wrong, it was a bit unexpected , but hey , weve gone from uneducated racists to Russian controlled automatons, controlled by the ******* Kremlin now!

40 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

Russia's role in this and the Trump campaign are most likely exaggerated but understandable giving that it's human nature to point the finger at familiar enemies, as well as very convenient.

You start off being reasonably sensible..

 

41 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

The proof is indeed most likely there and has been known for some time although there is new evidence coming to light which more or less nails the whole sherbang - whether or not that leads to prosecutions is another thing and probably not the main point here. This goes way beyond Mr Banks too.

Then you ruin it with supposition and heresay.

 

41 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

Perhaps the biggest irony of all is that in an attempt to escape the undemocratic EU, enough members of the UK public (the fifth that DC refers to) were unwittingly influenced by an emerging new Authoritarian world order which uses their own data against them and subverts the true course of democracy. It just goes to show how hopeless the whole situation is when the hard core leavers (one of the thirds DC refers to) are citing what parliament are trying to do is undemocratic.

The irony is that democracy really did prevail, it just wasnt the 'right' democracy for the establishments aims.
The establishment themselves being that 'emerging authoritarian world order' you mentioned.
I think you need to have a good think about what you are saying here, you seem to getting confused with the meaning of freedom of choice.

 

35 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

Indeed just as a hard line Brexiteer waking up to the result of the referendum on the morning of 24th June 2016 might well have reflected "that anything that seems too good to be true probably is"...

I must be a hard line Brexiter then, because when I woke up on the 24 th , I was very very happy.
Happy that this country felt that strongly they were prepared to do the brave thing , and cast into the unknown, put their own personal interests aside for the betterment of the country as a whole, and its future citizens.
I take a great deal of comfort knowing that, whether Brexit happens or not, we did do that thing, and if we did it once , we can do it again.

[oowee]

9 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Why does everything that goes against the establishment/status quo have to be 'driven' by something ?
Let me guess, its the Russkies doing France too ?
Not just a bunch of disgruntled citizens, who have had enough of their government bending them over.

 

1 hour ago, oowee said:

as a matter of interest anyone know where the funding come from for the yellow vest activists comes from? 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Marvellous!

[Mice!]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

matter of interest anyone know where the funding come from for the yellow vest activists comes from?  

We'll last week Aldi had a winter car kit, £10 for a hi viz vest torch and fold up spade??

 

[Retsdon]

2 minutes ago, Mice! said:

We'll last week Aldi had a winter car kit, £10 for a hi viz vest torch and fold up spade??

 

[Mice!]

12 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

*Sigh , Do you not think if there was any concrete 'proof' that Banks, Farage or any Leave group could be tied to Russian money, it would be plastered all over your lefty media ?
With a resultant call for article 50 to be revoked, and the status returned to normal 'democratic' EU control ?

Do you know why they havnt done this?
Theyve inferred it, just like the Dems are inferring it in the US about Trump, hoping the old adage 'No smoke with...' will cling like the proverbial.
But coming out with such a libelous charge, when there isnt actual any proof WHATSOEVER, could prove costly.

No its not !
The 2 things are nothing like it, Germany is about to base its future energy needs on Russian gas , I think you better tell Merkie , quick time 😄
Destabilise Europe for what exactly , so Putin can move the tanks in ? Russia isnt even militarily capable of doing that these days, even without the US backing us.

If Russia REALLY wanted to cause division and distress to us , they would be better off pumping money into the labour party, and get Corbyn in  

 Funding for what ?! £2 worth of hi viz and a couple of poo balloons 😆
Why does everything that goes against the establishment/status quo have to be 'driven' by something ?
Let me guess, its the Russkies doing France too ?
Not just a bunch of disgruntled citizens, who have had enough of their government bending them over.

Like Brexiteers, yes I know we voted wrong, it was a bit unexpected , but hey , weve gone from uneducated racists to Russian controlled automatons, controlled by the ******* Kremlin now!

You start off being reasonably sensible..

 

Then you ruin it with supposition and heresay.

 

The irony is that democracy really did prevail, it just wasnt the 'right' democracy for the establishments aims.
The establishment themselves being that 'emerging authoritarian world order' you mentioned.
I think you need to have a good think about what you are saying here, you seem to getting confused with the meaning of freedom of choice.

 

I must be a hard line Brexiter then, because when I woke up on the 24 th , I was very very happy.
Happy that this country felt that strongly they were prepared to do the brave thing , and cast into the unknown, put their own personal interests aside for the betterment of the country as a whole, and its future citizens.
I take a great deal of comfort knowing that, whether Brexit happens or not, we did do that thing, and if we did it once , we can do it again.

You dont think they would let us vote on something again do you? They probably thought no one would turn out last time.

No chance of us being given a choice again.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

1 minute ago, Mice! said:

You dont think they would let us vote on something again do you? They probably thought no one would turn out last time.

No chance of us being given a choice again.

Only if the question is a choice between staying in the EU

OR

Not leaving the EU.

[Rewulf]

2 minutes ago, Mice! said:

You dont think they would let us vote on something again do you? They probably thought no one would turn out last time.

No chance of us being given a choice again.

Never say never, Russia has plenty of oil money to fund another referendum campaign 

 

7 minutes ago, oowee said:

 

Damn Russkies !
I knew they hadnt really renounced communism 

[oowee]

4 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Only if the question is a choice between staying in the EU

OR

Not leaving the EU.

🤣 Brilliant.

[JohnfromUK]

21 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Only if the question is a choice between staying in the EU

OR

Not leaving the EU.

We don't need a vote for that - that is what they are already doing.

[SpringDon]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

Looking more like the proof is there now with the referral to the National Crime Agency. The Russian infiltration is similar in many ways to what is happening in Ukraine and you do have to wonder if it's part of a wider effort to destabalise Europe. 

<snip>

as a matter of interest anyone know where the funding come from for the yellow vest activists comes from? 

I wonder whether the attempt to destabilise Europe is related in any way to the eu’s culpability in the Ukrainian civil war by permitting a nation bordering Russia to attempt to join the eu. If ethnic differences were the fuel for the war, the eu lit the fuse.

As to the funding of the yellow vests, that’s easy; all motorists are legally obligated to carry them in their vehicles. So the yellow protestors are actually supported by the french government.

[Rewulf]

1 minute ago, SpringDon said:

I wonder whether the attempt to destabilise Europe is related in any way to the eu’s culpability in the Ukrainian civil war by permitting a nation bordering Russia to attempt to join the eu. If ethnic differences were the fuel for the war, the eu lit the fuse.

Not to mention the fact that placing a pro west leader into power, talking about EU and NATO membership on Russias doorstep, something that breaks every treaty aimed at preventing conflict between NATO and Russia.
Once the EU and US intelligence assets had done their work in Ukraine, they scurried away feigning innocence, as the country descended into civil war.
A provocation, that had it been carried out by Russia, would probably have resulted in a major east west conflict.
And people talk about Russia meddling in western elections 

 

8 minutes ago, SpringDon said:

As to the funding of the yellow vests, that’s easy; all motorists are legally obligated to carry them in their vehicles. So the yellow protestors are actually supported by the french government.

I like it !