White Rabbit Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 Just what you need during a grouse drive. Luckily I noticed it wedge in the forcing cone and I knocked it back out with one of the butt sticks. Could have easily loaded another shell on top of it. The rim is totally missing with just a rounded edge. WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, White Rabbit said: Just what you need during a grouse drive. Luckily I noticed it wedge in the forcing cone and I knocked it back out with one of the butt sticks. Could have easily loaded another shell on top of it. The rim is totally missing with just a rounded edge. WR. Thats bad ! very good job you noticed... Hull carts might be interested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Rabbit Posted October 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, islandgun said: Thats bad ! very good job you noticed... Hull carts might be interested The gun I was loading for kept it and I assume will contact them. It could have had serious consequences. WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenholland Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 should get a free tour of the factory , plus a slab of shells, quality control passed of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 Somebody needs some serious compensation for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 20 minutes ago, DUNKS said: Somebody needs some serious compensation for that. Or a generous thank you to the guy whose attention prevented a serious compensation claim being met in full. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Rabbit Posted October 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, wymberley said: Or a generous thank you to the guy whose attention prevented a serious compensation claim being met in full. Been loading for a long time now and have seen all sorts as far as dodgy cartridges go but never a rimless one. I should have started a collection of oddities. No manufacturer is immune from them. WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 Am I the only one wondering how this could be dangerous as it would hit the forcing cone and not allow another cart to be loaded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Rabbit Posted October 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, figgy said: Am I the only one wondering how this could be dangerous as it would hit the forcing cone and not allow another cart to be loaded. Well it fell a fair way down the chamber and I certainly wasn't going to find out how far it would go mid drive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 Would need a gun with extra long forcing cones same size as the chamber for the cart to have anywhere to go, then bee deep enough in to load and close a second cartridge. Annoying yes dangerous no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 Fortunately considering the tens of thousands of cartridges used this is very rare. There should be a very generous thankyou to the loader thats for sure, whether it would have dropped in or not. Well spotted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemFandango Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 You wouldn't have got another cartridge in behind that. Not dangerous really. Inconvenient but no need to be melodramatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 2 hours ago, figgy said: Am I the only one wondering how this could be dangerous as it would hit the forcing cone and not allow another cart to be loaded. My thoughts also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 Even if it was a crimped 2 1/2 in case dropped in a 3 in chamber it would only be about 3/4 in in from the breech face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Rabbit Posted October 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 50 minutes ago, London Best said: Even if it was a crimped 2 1/2 in case dropped in a 3 in chamber it would only be about 3/4 in in from the breech face. It was most definitely further down the chamber than 3/4in. Perhaps the head was undersized. Unfortunately I no longer have it to check. I'm on well over 100 days a season managing my employers sporting interests and thought it was an interesting oddity that folk may want to see. I won't bother in future! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob525 Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 I'm glad you posted it, very interesting to see! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perazzishot Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, White Rabbit said: It was most definitely further down the chamber than 3/4in. Perhaps the head was undersized. Unfortunately I no longer have it to check. I'm on well over 100 days a season managing my employers sporting interests and thought it was an interesting oddity that folk may want to see. I won't bother in future! That's the problem on this site, if it isn't with the the keyboard warriors its there to be thrown back in your face! i speak to 30 or 40 shooters a week all have been here none are here now due to a few of the Warriors like here! White rabbit clearly states it was wedged at the forcing cones, that's along way from the chamber, meaning it was potentially a very serious accident waiting to happen. Well spotted great awareness while loading a real credit to be so aware! For those doubting the claim, cut the plastic hull from the brass and drop it down your barrels and see where it stops, sounds like a few of the experts might be surprised! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) Perazzishot tomorrow that's what I will have a go at. To grind the rim off a 70mm cart glue it or tape it back in place if it comes off, crimp the empty end and drop it in my SXS 70mm chambered gun and over and under also in a 3" and 31/2" auto barrel. Be interesting to see just how far it does go in. Also if it's possible to load another on top of it. We all know a 20 bore cart will drop down into the forcing cone allowing a 12 bore cart to be loaded and fired. Edited October 28, 2019 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Rabbit Posted October 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 7 hours ago, Perazzishot said: That's the problem on this site, if it isn't with the the keyboard warriors its there to be thrown back in your face! i speak to 30 or 40 shooters a week all have been here none are here now due to a few of the Warriors like here! White rabbit clearly states it was wedged at the forcing cones, that's along way from the chamber, meaning it was potentially a very serious accident waiting to happen. Well spotted great awareness while loading a real credit to be so aware! For those doubting the claim, cut the plastic hull from the brass and drop it down your barrels and see where it stops, sounds like a few of the experts might be surprised! Fear not Perazzishot! One of the resident experts is prepared to spend today grinding down and glueing cartridges just to prove a point despite not knowing the internal dimensions of the gun or the diameter of the faulty shell. Meanwhile I'm hosting a mixed day and you're no doubt stood on a peg somewhere! I'll not be drawn into pointless debate with them as it's happened before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 I think you may have taken my post out of context. I did not mean it to be negative in any way at all, merely the dimensions for interest’s sake. Apologies, it was a very interesting thing to post, and could make someone aware in the future thus avoiding an accident. I, too, have done a lot of loading and once was loading for a lady who had borrowed her husbands cartridge bag. Knowing that he used a 16 I checked the bag before filling it with her 12’s. It took four drives before the 16 bore which had wedged somewhere unseen in the bag found it’s way into a 12 chamber and wedged tight. We were double gunning and just used one for the rest of that drive until I could get to my rods in the Land Rover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 Figgy. Do make sure you try in a new 525 with overboring and three inch forcing cones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 Many thanks for posting this interesting and informative information well spotted on your part and I’m sure you and the gun are pleased nothing unfortunate and unpleasant happened just shows how aware you have to be on a busy day all the best of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 hours ago, DUNKS said: Figgy. Do make sure you try in a new 525 with overboring and three inch forcing cones. I never even thought to consider guns bored like that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, London Best said: I never even thought to consider guns bored like that! There you go. three inch chamber too. Not everyone shoots two and a half inch chambers with forcing cones like a back door step😀. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 12 minutes ago, London Best said: I never even thought to consider guns bored like that! But was the gun in question bored like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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